[Hash Zeppelin]

This thread is to discus how we think cannabis legalization will move forward in the future with prop 64 passing, and Donald Trump winning the presidency with the republicans controlling the house and senate. It is not to talk about any other politics. Only cannabis policy and law. Let's keep it civil please.

To begin with I think the legalization of cannabis in 4 more states sends a clear message that cannabis never went away, and the legal industry on the entire west coast and Nevada, is here to stay, despite the opinion of the federal government. Most of us growers have grown in much harsher conditions, and full prohibition. Trump and his lackies will not intimidate us.

Personally I am very happy that prop 64 has passed now that Trump has made his choice for attorney general. Sessions is harshly anti cannabis, and I think prop 64 maybe another crucial layer of state protection. The question is how much? This is very important considering Sessions has openly said things like this.

remark about Ku Klux Klan members, Sessions said, “I used to think they’re okay,” until learning that some were “pot smokers,” according to the sworn statements by the civil rights attorneys, who had worked with Sessions.”

The California state legisture seems to want to promote the new legal cannabis industry, but there is a group of cops out there that is best described in this New York times article, that I suggest you all read. Its very well written.

The quote below is from the article describing the disconnect between police departments and current legislation.

“If there is an issue with a manufacturing process being unsafe, we don’t normally break down doors and take the payroll,” she said. “It’s almost as if law enforcement, at multiple levels, are like the Japanese soldiers on an island still fighting a war that is over.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/22...acebook.com%2F

I'm curious to see how much the state of California will be willing to cooperate with the federal government in the future. Especially after the the threat of cutting our federal funding because we have declared our selves a sanctuary state. It is more than likely an empty threat, but it may encourage california legislators to take a hard stance protecting the tax revenue, and jobs of an industry estimated to be worth 25 billion dollars as of now, and 50 billion dollars by 2026. After all they have the 6th largest economy in the world, and the well being 40 million people to protect. If they have no federal funding, then they have zero reason to comply with federal requests for anything. Which could be very good for us.

The California government might also enjoy protecting States rights just to make a point to the GOP, that is constantly speaking about respecting States rights for their agendas.

I also think that the level of threat from large industry taking over the business, drastically drops now for at least 4 years. Multinational corporations will still not want to invest all that money in an industry where they can't use banks, and may have everything confinscated by the federal government, and then face felony charges; aka, the worries that industry people have been dealing with for decades. Large corporations know that the biggest players in the game are also the biggest targets because of the rico act. The Feds will confiscate money, and property, and they only raid when the rico prize adds up to more value than the cost of the raid and the prosecution. With out the assistance of the state of California this cost goes up.

I'm very interested on hearing all of your opinions on the subject matter, and the reasons behind your opinions.

[Jellyfish]

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[EsterEssence]

I am taking the positive approach that nothing will change and the states will decide how to handle implantation of the laws just voted in. However Co. waited to implement the law until assistant ag Cole wrote a memo, that as long as the states followed a few rules the feds would leave the states alone. So we really have to wait till the new administration makes the decision as to what to do about LEGAL CANNABIS, didn't think I would ever be able to say that...

[Hash Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by EsterEssence

I am taking the positive approach that nothing will change and the states will decide how to handle implantation of the laws just voted in. However Co. waited to implement the law until assistant ag Cole wrote a memo, that as long as the states followed a few rules the feds would leave the states alone. So we really have to wait till the new administration makes the decision as to what to do about LEGAL CANNABIS, didn't think I would ever be able to say that...

Basically we are partially safe for now because of a budget bill. Cannabis raids on state legal institutions have been defended. When the budget gets redone things could go south for us. However after the last 5 years the legal industry has drastically increased in size, enforment will be much harder, just do to the fact of how long the list is now. Will their be enough federal LEO funding to build the immigration round up force he possibly wants (not clear yet), and refund the DEA enfornment of cannabis.

Also how will he argue for States rights for abortion, but not for other things like cannabis?

Another question. Will Trump see cannabis as profitable item to boost earnings at his casinos in Nevada? If he wants to compete with the other casinos, he might have to fold, and also sell cannabis.

Things are already getting interesting.....

Stay positive my friends, and over grow the planet. Never stop.

[packerfan79]

I don't think the feds will be the problem. I think the California legislature is going to destroy the industry with sky high taxes and regulations. Welcome to mass produced mediocre quality product, at sky-high prices. I also think we will see a lot of people going to prison to keep the black market down. I liken it to moonshine. People go to prison for making something that you can buy in the grocery store. I am thinking Alaska may be the best bet. Alaska has a constitutional amendment regarding the right to privacy allows 24 plants. Funny thing is its been on the books since the 70s .

[oldchuck]

I continue to think that we have absolutely no idea what Trump will actually do as president. Nothing he says adds up. He is the wild card of all wild cards. I suspect that he will allow the right wing republicans he appoints to run the government while he continues to shoot off his mouth and pose for photo ops. So Sessions is a grave danger.

[Big Sur]

Regarding the OP here: You say that you only want to discuss weed politics, but then you go off topic and bring up the fact that California is a sanctuary state? Talk about a political black hole. Personally I hope that Trump smashes the sanctuaries by cutting federal funds. I will also be glad to help build the wall. See, you opened your own Pandora's Box in your own thread by going off-topic here.

[Chunkypigs]

the feds couldn't shut it down in tiny states like CO and WA.

they didn't even try. stop worrying and go grow some weed.

[Hash Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Big Sur

Regarding the OP here: You say that you only want to discuss weed politics, but then you go off topic and bring up the fact that California is a sanctuary state? Talk about a political black hole. Personally I hope that Trump smashes the sanctuaries by cutting federal funds. I will also be glad to help build the wall. See, you opened your own Pandora's Box in your own thread by going off-topic here.

Stop trolling. Trolling will be reported.

Just incase you're not just trolling, and you really do need some help comprehending what I'm talking about, here....

I am Not going off topic at all. I'm not discussing sactuary States. I'm only mentioning that as it is a factor in considering motives for california to protect tax revenue from legal cannabis out of necessity to fund its government, infrastructure, and social programs. That's all.

I mention Japanese soldiers after ww2 also, but it doesn't mean I'm talking about post ww2 Japan. You have to follow context. You can't just look at two works and decide that is what the entire point of my entire article is.

[Hash Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by Chunkypigs

the feds couldn't shut it down in tiny states like CO and WA.

they didn't even try. stop worrying and go grow some weed.

I imagine you're correct in this statement, but discussion is still a good thing. Keeps people thinking, and planing. Having well thought out plans prevents future worries.