[who dat is]

Originally Posted by Mikell

Oz/gallon I believe he mentioned above for iso. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was only mentioning the Dr. Bronners product and not Iso specifically.

Bronner's is also my go-to, especially at half the price of agricultural use insecticidal soaps.

Plus, all that sweet Jesus information. The company is also pro cannabis, I believe originating with the good doctor as a result of his religious bent re: if He made it, it is good, or something along those lines.

I say give it a go but with a few caveats.

Experimenting takes money and time. Each solution will need clean plants, any that pass a basic phytotoxicity test will need clean (untreated) plants infested with the target pest.

Right off the bat, soybean oil is graded from raw unrefined up to pharmaceutical, compounding the number of tests by each grade.
I guess I could start with a middle of the road one then? I can't imagine I would need pharma grade soybean oil for this application?

Glow is the person you're looking for. He has experience deconstructing unknown recipes and should be able to point you in a better direction. What's his full handle on here? If you see him poking around another thread would you care to point him in this direction?

Given you already have a list and just need type/proportions, paying for analysis may be the simplest route and save much time, which I frequently find eclipses money in value.
That sounds like a good option but I have no idea how to go about getting that done and I was hoping to keep costs down as much as possible.

Thanks for stopping in and dropping some knowledge Mikell

[Avinash.miles]

ya- i use one oz per gallon of iso AND bronners soap (probably excessive for the soap, but right on for the iso)

i usually test new mixes on infested, expendable plants - to see if it kills the bug, the plant, or both. doesn't hurt to do it on an uninfested expendable plant first, i suppose

that soybean oil will work for sure, i remember a few people suggesting stylet oil previously but noted it needs to be mixed constantly if not regularly and often

and def we need to checkout the glow thread or info... link pls?

[Slipnot]

I personally do not like experimenting when it comes to infestation organic grown or not.
I use Class B chemical pesticide Farm grade.
I want them dead now and for good.
The problem with all these store bought organic pesticides is there just to weak allowing time to get rid of them .
And most of the time they creep back up on you ..
People use other insects to kill unwanted insects, but the problem is they never will get rid of there food source
Who ever thought insects were smart ???

They will start harvesting them , then allow them to re colonize and harvest

Bottom line Even real organic farmers use chemical pesticides, so who are we kidding.
Our plants grow so fast there is no time to allow 10 applications in hopes to rid plant from insects.
I rather do one application and call it a day

[who dat is]

Originally Posted by Slipnot

I personally do not like experimenting when it comes to infestation organic grown or not.
I use Class B chemical pesticide Farm grade.
I want them dead now and for good.
The problem with all these store bought organic pesticides is there just to weak allowing time to get rid of them .
And most of the time they creep back up on you ..
People use other insects to kill unwanted insects, but the problem is they never will get rid of there food source
Who ever thought insects were smart ???

They will start harvesting them , then allow them to re colonize and harvest

Bottom line Even real organic farmers use chemical pesticides, so who are we kidding. Direct contradiction.
Our plants grow so fast there is no time to allow 10 applications in hopes to rid plant from insects.
I rather do one application and call it a day

Out of flustered desperation I have used chemicals in the past but they didn't take care of my problems either. I won't throw in the towel because then they win. "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" NO!

Even though our opinions are polar opposites, thank you for weighing in on this thread.

[Mikell]

I believe glow was banned for promoting his website. Good read for anyone interested in soluble nutrients or coir. New book soon too I think.

The posts are hard to find but generally scattered in the "Nutrients and Fertilizers" and "Coco Coir" subforums.

He may be able to recommend somewhere to have it analyzed. Not cheaply me thinks.

Other wise,

A middle of the road refined oil would be a good place to start. Soybean may have been chosen for the price alone, rather than any special quality. If there are other constituents at play, raw may be preferable, as neem. Or perhaps like mineral (stylet) oil and must be highly purified.

Just where my mind goes.

[krood]

Originally Posted by who dat is

Out of flustered desperation I have used chemicals in the past but they didn't take care of my problems either. I won't throw in the towel because then they win. "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!" NO!

Even though our opinions are polar opposites, thank you for weighing in on this thread.

Wasnt that the japanese?

Im liking this thread so far, didnt know mites could go into a dormant state. That explains why they seem to come back often. I havent had mites yet, but know its just a matter of time, Ill be keeping an eye out for whatever you guys figure out, good luck and thanks

[who dat is]

Originally Posted by krood

Wasnt that the japanese?

Im liking this thread so far, didnt know mites could go into a dormant state. That explains why they seem to come back often. I havent had mites yet, but know its just a matter of time, Ill be keeping an eye out for whatever you guys figure out, good luck and thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI



Mites can be proper little fuckers. Thanks for the support

[Loc Dog]

I just lost a crop to broad mites. I bought about $400 worth of stuff to battle them. A few weeks later, after doing nothing, I have not found one on other plants in other areas.

My knowledge is of the broad mites, so may not apply, but they say to use a product a few times days apart, then move onto another product, and so on. They supposedly can develop resistance to many products.

I have not watched this yet, but there are other videos on youtube -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5Edfxr7yE

This is the first method I will try if I see one of the little bastards -

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=268311

[MrBungle]

it is good to alternate between 2 or 3 different treatments... I've been using azatrol, spinosad/wetting agent, and pyrethrins... knocked the shit out of the mites in veg... flower box is a lil trickier

[who dat is]

Originally Posted by MrBungle

it is good to alternate between 2 or 3 different treatments... I've been using azatrol, spinosad/wetting agent, and pyrethrins... knocked the shit out of the mites in veg... flower box is a lil trickier

Rotation isn't a problem as I have the build a soil essential oil blend and neem oil on hand. They just don't seem to do anything to the russets like the green cleaner does. Hence trying to make my own but better and cheaper. Thanks for stopping in