[resin_lung]

how does a clone have no immediate relations and not Pin the needle on the rare end of the gauge? They might need to calibrate the NovelMaster3000. Those bastards are notorious for jumping out of spec.lol

[TanzanianMagic]

Originally Posted by therevverend

I'm a little hesitant to draw conclusions based on the limited amount of data collected. Still it's very interesting good observations Thule. I've heard that a lot of Moroccan strains come from Lebanon, but since there aren't any Lebanese varieties collected yet can't say. I've heard stories of hash makers from Lebanon traveling to India to collect seeds.
My theory is that the Hajj is one of biggest sources of seed dispersal. I would guess Muslim areas will have similar genetics despite the great distances. It's too early to say but it could be the reason there's similarities between SE island Asia and East Africa. I'd think the Austronesian expansion probably happened before the spread of cannabis out of central Asia. The expansion happened when Australia was colonized by Austronesian people, at least 45,000 years ago.

Also, Hemp may come from Asia, however it has been around Africa for thousands of years. The Ancient Egyptians (and according to this article India and the Middle East as well) hemp showed up 4,000 years ago, around 2,000 BC. The 'Bantu Expansion' happened about 1,000 BC. So is it likely that hemp has been present in Africa for thousands of years. That doesn't mean that new strains couldn't have been introduced afterwards.

However there is a very strong psychedelic component to African weed that is different from say psychedelic weeds of South America or tropical Asia. Whereas fully ripe South American psychedelic strains give you a birdseye view, and Asian strains have a disruptive effect on linear thinking (Thai), African psychedelic strains have an immersive spiritual effect (Tanzanian Magic, Malawi Gold, even Durban Poison).

[420empire]

Hey TM.

Can you give some more in depth answer on the "more" psychedelic you talk about? I have heard many say that as a ex. Oaxacan Highland Gold should have one of the most spirituel highs ..? If so could it be the THCV compound? Dunno haven´t tried pure south American or pure African only hybrids.

Peace

[TanzanianMagic]

Originally Posted by 420empire

Hey TM.

Can you give some more in depth answer on the "more" psychedelic you talk about? I have heard many say that as a ex. Oaxacan Highland Gold should have one of the most spirituel highs ..? If so could it be the THCV compound? Dunno haven´t tried pure south American or pure African only hybrids.

Peace

Just to compare, the B-52 I smoked had this very South American psychedelic high, that was true to it's name. There are a lot of South American strains bred into today's genetics, like Skunk #1 (1978) and later.

Smoking fully ripe Tanzanian Magic is more like talking to the burning bush, and it talking back. Someone I knew who smoked it had this childhood trauma of watching chickens getting hung up and slaughtered. When he smoked an entire joint, he saw the handle of the door breaking off and starting to spurt blood horizontally.

The key is to get the resin going and ripe, and that's a factor of giving the plant enough potassium from mid-flowering onwards. That and some silica source, because resin is made from silica plus it is needed to maintain it's health, just like potassium.

[Tynehead Tom]

Originally Posted by GoatCheese

But if members here have landrace samples for the Phylos, the test is free if you send them to Sam Skunkman

Yea, the Phylos has too many US polyhybrids on it.
Maybe it will get better when more landrace samples have been uploaded

is the free testing for landrace samples for the phylos or is it for someones private storage and tissue culturing.... preparing for the bold new legal cannabis market?

I'll freely share my genetics with anyone.... except a select few who's motives for collecting cannabis samples are still unclear to me.
none of it makes sense to me after watching the video a while ago with clarke basically debunking the phylos galaxy..... I was like WTF? if it's kinda BS then why are some folks pushing so hard for samples..... one has to stop and wonder sometimes.

[gorilla ganja]

Originally Posted by Tynehead Tom

is the free testing for landrace samples for the phylos or is it for someones private storage and tissue culturing.... preparing for the bold new legal cannabis market?

I'll freely share my genetics with anyone.... except a select few who's motives for collecting cannabis samples are still unclear to me.
none of it makes sense to me after watching the video a while ago with clarke basically debunking the phylos galaxy..... I was like WTF? if it's kinda BS then why are some folks pushing so hard for samples..... one has to stop and wonder sometimes.

The samples he is looking for do not have to be live tissue or seeds, in fact he prefers dead samples.
Genetic/DNA profiling of cannabis is useful for everyone I think. Just needs some time to decipher the data being collected.
It's happening with all species on earth really. DNA science has been going on for years and is proving useful in a lot of different and surprising ways.

Cheers GG

[Tynehead Tom]

Originally Posted by gorilla ganja

The samples he is looking for do not have to be live tissue or seeds, in fact he prefers dead samples.
Genetic/DNA profiling of cannabis is useful for everyone I think. Just needs some time to decipher the data being collected.
It's happening with all species on earth really. DNA science has been going on for years and is proving useful in a lot of different and surprising ways.

Cheers GG

ya, i'll be honest I was quick to judge all this as hawgwash and a genetics gathering ploy by a couple prominant seed makers in our community after watching some of the youtube stuff and the comments by Clarke that Chunkypigs is referring too. I'm old school and really don't care as much as some folks do about a complete family tree of weed. It's a novelty thing to me really.
I understand the value of all of this when it comes to the manufacture of varieties with specific and targetted cannabinoid and terpene profiles for use to treat illness.
recreationally.... I like the see, touch, feel, smell and smoke method of deciding what and what not to breed. Maybe I'm just being ignorant or blinded by my own preconceptions.... but I don't trust a few of the folks involved in this phylos thing and question thier motives. I have no interest in sending in samples of anything while the folks involved are also involved in the sale of seeds.
I have a rather large stash of deep frozen beans dating back to the late 70's , none collected form seed banks and from many well known cannabis cultivating regions.... no way i'm sending samples to the phylos, not yet anyways.

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by Tynehead Tom

is the free testing for landrace samples for the phylos or is it for someones private storage and tissue culturing.... preparing for the bold new legal cannabis market?

I'll freely share my genetics with anyone.... except a select few who's motives for collecting cannabis samples are still unclear to me.
none of it makes sense to me after watching the video a while ago with clarke basically debunking the phylos galaxy..... I was like WTF? if it's kinda BS then why are some folks pushing so hard for samples..... one has to stop and wonder sometimes.

Dried leaf material or pollen is ok for DNA sampling, you don't have to send in seeds. The seeds can also be dead (not germinating any more).

..If ol' Sam wanted to "steal" the few dried leaves i sent in, i'm sure he really must have needed them badly!!
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Is the Clarke video uploaded on YouTube, i haven't seen it yet?
Now i have to see what he says about Phylos.
I'm sure Phylos will work better when more landrace/traditional samples are sent in.

Genetic maps for some African strans are already pretty ok.
It still little messy when if comes to western polyhybrids.

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by Tynehead Tom

I have a rather large stash of deep frozen beans dating back to the late 70's , none collected form seed banks and from many well known cannabis cultivating regions.... no way i'm sending samples to the phylos, not yet anyways.

What kinda stuff you have there? Landrace or some old legends?
..could be really nice for te DNA project and you don't have to send i that man seeds.

I sent i two lots of Nepalese seeds , bunch of X18 plant matter samples, and plant matter from another strain

[Tynehead Tom]

Originally Posted by GoatCheese

What kinda stuff you have there? Landrace or some old legends?
..could be really nice for te DNA project and you don't have to send i that man seeds.

I sent i two lots of Nepalese seeds , bunch of X18 plant matter samples, and plant matter from another strain

South Asia , middle east , some stuff from south america and mexico and hawaii. I inheritted and was gifted much of my collection in 3 large chunks over the years by the three most influential growers in my life.
I was also gifted some beans by an old welding inspector buddy of mine recently over the holidays that he swears he brought back from a big job in Ukraine in the late 80's. Friends of ours grew those back then and found a plant they called Alice Ruder. It was a dead nuts 6 week finisher that went around surrey/langley BC for a few years. Kinda like a sandalwoody, citrus little hashplant looking thing.... exceptionally hard to clone. tiny wide leaves and maximum 5 blades. Stems as woody as toothpics... wierd plant and i guess by the name.... a very potent selection from some kind of russian ruderalis..... but those folks with the big time weed education seem to profess that ruderalis has no potency..... I'm rambling i know LOL I have 60 or so of those beans to try and germinate a few plants.... maybe find another alice ruder.
I don't want a lab to tell me what is in these beans, I wanna see for myself Now if I had gone to all the places represented in my collection and could say to you all.... this i collected here and it came from a wild cultivar or it came from local bag seed.... Then i would entertain sharing for the usefull info that could be gathered DNA wise. But really, I'm just a guy with a large collection of containers that other folks have scribbled dates and names on. While I know these folks travelled some of the weed and hash locales back in thier youth when such things were possible with good shoes a passport and a backpack and bedroll.... but those days are kinda gone for 99% of us. So some of the stuff I can grow with confidence it is what it says.
Ace and cannabiogen seem to have a plethora of landrace based stuff from all over the place, I'm sure thier contributions or the nierka seed trust folks.... these are collections worth testing for the data you all seek.