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Thule · 11-13-2016, 01:44 PM

Hola!

How long have we been waiting for actual DNA evidence on the relationships between our beloved strains?
It's finally out there so let's start dissecting the info

I'm sure they're still working on the accuracy and stuff but let's discuss what we've learned so far shall we?

Some of the highlights I've found so far:

Moroccan landrace is indeed a sativa. A real sativa that is, 95% hemp but high THC

I'm pretty sure Greek strains are like this too but we'll see. That also debunks my theory that West African ganja is related to Maroc, not so much. Durban Poison is also high in hemp genes, a real mixture!

African strains like Malawi, Zambian and South African seem to favor Nepal, Thailand, Yunnan and Sumatra over Indian strains. They don't have a sample from Kerala though.. Congo Pointe Noire seems most related to North Indian or Nepalese strains.

Colombian strains seem to sit tightly within the African cluster as expected.

If these results are any accurate..

Nepalese strains cluster closer to Yunnan/Thailand than to India. East African strains show a relatedness to Island South East Asia (Philippines, Papua, Sumatra) all the way down to northern Thailand, which fits well with the Austronesian expansion from Taiwan to Africa.

And lots of hemp genes flying around in much of India and Thailand. Even more in the dank indicas.

Some Thai strains show interesting relatedness to Afghanistan and even Kazahstan in one occation. I don't think this is just noise. Some seem completely pure albeit with Chinese hemp influence.

What have you found?

Kush_Kloud · 11-13-2016, 06:21 PM

I took a look at the Phylos Galaxy yesterday and I'm not sure I know how to use it. But what I did see was that David Watson and Robert C. Clarke have submitted most of the landrace sativas and indicas that I would love to grow out. Boy are they lucky! But anyway how do I see the connection between different strains, the way you have?

GoatCheese · 11-13-2016, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kush_Kloud

I took a look at the Phylos Galaxy yesterday and I'm not sure I know how to use it. But what I did see was that David Watson and Robert C. Clarke have submitted most of the landrace sativas and indicas that I would love to grow out. Boy are they lucky! But anyway how do I see the connection between different strains, the way you have?

Hey..
Click a certain strain or do a search
..and you see a "report" thumb appearing next to the strain name, click it and you'll get to see the related info

shishkaboy · 11-13-2016, 07:29 PM

therevverend · 11-14-2016, 01:54 AM

I'm a little hesitant to draw conclusions based on the limited amount of data collected. Still it's very interesting good observations Thule. I've heard that a lot of Moroccan strains come from Lebanon, but since there aren't any Lebanese varieties collected yet can't say. I've heard stories of hash makers from Lebanon traveling to India to collect seeds.
My theory is that the Hajj is one of biggest sources of seed dispersal. I would guess Muslim areas will have similar genetics despite the great distances. It's too early to say but it could be the reason there's similarities between SE island Asia and East Africa. I'd think the Austronesian expansion probably happened before the spread of cannabis out of central Asia. The expansion happened when Australia was colonized by Austronesian people, at least 45,000 years ago.

baduy · 11-14-2016, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by therevverend

My theory is that the Hajj is one of biggest sources of seed dispersal.

,Never thought about that, makes much sense

Storm Shadow · 11-14-2016, 06:16 PM

Northwest Iran is the most fertile land in the entire Middle East and has some Amazing Genetics.. None of these Scientist know any information on these genetics..therefore these type of studies and theories are Speculation with a splash of Bro Science

Thule · 11-14-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Shadow

Northwest Iran is the most fertile land in the entire Middle East and has some Amazing Genetics.. None of these Scientist know any information on these genetics..therefore these type of studies and theories are Speculation with a splash of Bro Science

Then send them a sample?

I'm pretty sure Iranian strains are closely related to Afghani strains and should cluster genetically between Afghanistan and the Levant, as geography dictates.

We're never going to get all cannabis strains sampled but it doesn't mean we can't eventually get some reliable results, and what I've seen so far seems promising. Why not play around with what we have and what is to come.

Koondense · 11-14-2016, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Shadow

None of these Scientist know any information on these genetics..therefore...

Why do you think that? Sounds to me like a "bro" assumption.

gorilla ganja · 11-14-2016, 07:18 PM

I have looked at it a few times now. Very hard to navigate, for me anyways. I think this will evolve into something useful. But they have to make it more user friendly. It would be nice if you could pick a strain and delete all others not related so viewing could be easier.
Also the 3D universe is cool to look at but there are probably many other ways to decipher the data in better ways.

Peace GG

11-13-2016, 01:44 PM	#1
Thule Dr. Narrowleaf Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: State of Mind Posts: 1,834	Phylos Galaxy - Landrace discussion Hola! How long have we been waiting for actual DNA evidence on the relationships between our beloved strains? It's finally out there so let's start dissecting the info I'm sure they're still working on the accuracy and stuff but let's discuss what we've learned so far shall we? Some of the highlights I've found so far: Moroccan landrace is indeed a sativa. A real sativa that is, 95% hemp but high THC I'm pretty sure Greek strains are like this too but we'll see. That also debunks my theory that West African ganja is related to Maroc, not so much. Durban Poison is also high in hemp genes, a real mixture! African strains like Malawi, Zambian and South African seem to favor Nepal, Thailand, Yunnan and Sumatra over Indian strains. They don't have a sample from Kerala though.. Congo Pointe Noire seems most related to North Indian or Nepalese strains. Colombian strains seem to sit tightly within the African cluster as expected. If these results are any accurate.. Nepalese strains cluster closer to Yunnan/Thailand than to India. East African strains show a relatedness to Island South East Asia (Philippines, Papua, Sumatra) all the way down to northern Thailand, which fits well with the Austronesian expansion from Taiwan to Africa. And lots of hemp genes flying around in much of India and Thailand. Even more in the dank indicas. Some Thai strains show interesting relatedness to Afghanistan and even Kazahstan in one occation. I don't think this is just noise. Some seem completely pure albeit with Chinese hemp influence. What have you found? __________________ We all have our crosses and IBLs to carry.
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therevverend Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NW Posts: 701	I'm a little hesitant to draw conclusions based on the limited amount of data collected. Still it's very interesting good observations Thule. I've heard that a lot of Moroccan strains come from Lebanon, but since there aren't any Lebanese varieties collected yet can't say. I've heard stories of hash makers from Lebanon traveling to India to collect seeds. My theory is that the Hajj is one of biggest sources of seed dispersal. I would guess Muslim areas will have similar genetics despite the great distances. It's too early to say but it could be the reason there's similarities between SE island Asia and East Africa. I'd think the Austronesian expansion probably happened before the spread of cannabis out of central Asia. The expansion happened when Australia was colonized by Austronesian people, at least 45,000 years ago.
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Storm Shadow Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,639	Northwest Iran is the most fertile land in the entire Middle East and has some Amazing Genetics.. None of these Scientist know any information on these genetics..therefore these type of studies and theories are Speculation with a splash of Bro Science __________________ Hall Of Fame
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gorilla ganja Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Canada 53° Lat Posts: 1,529	I have looked at it a few times now. Very hard to navigate, for me anyways. I think this will evolve into something useful. But they have to make it more user friendly. It would be nice if you could pick a strain and delete all others not related so viewing could be easier. Also the 3D universe is cool to look at but there are probably many other ways to decipher the data in better ways. Peace GG
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11-13-2016, 06:21 PM	#2
Kush_Kloud Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 176	I took a look at the Phylos Galaxy yesterday and I'm not sure I know how to use it. But what I did see was that David Watson and Robert C. Clarke have submitted most of the landrace sativas and indicas that I would love to grow out. Boy are they lucky! But anyway how do I see the connection between different strains, the way you have?
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