[Wolfshadoe]

Wow!!! A very good read here!!! A lot of dif views, and opinions ...
I learned a lot here reading this, whether I agree or disagree...I however DO not agree with the pig thing.

The one and ONLY thing I do know is::: Just imagine when THEY "GOV" were working on all the alcohol laws ect... Them fellows didn't have a PC to stay in touch with!! ''

I am def against big money:,No doubt MJ will be rec>>fed one day..as in anything it will be regulated,controled, ect....I have Always lived on the EDGE>>ppl like me will always make sure "others" who cant/or limited grow their meds/rec WTF E!! will make sure they get it at fare market value...

By that I mean:::Now NO ill intent here fellows,,that a Oz of mj is worth no more than 100 bucks...or a grand a pound for premo OD's mj. Indoors? Now that's a lil dif w/cost of producing it..Not sure how taxes would work in this..But that's just how I feel..

Never the less..Good read for a sunday morn..>>puffin Blue dream
Thanks guys/gals...<ws>

[Mukind]

Originally Posted by baduy

So Mukind do you think you get better tomatoes in a big supermarket than in a local organic farm?
That's not how it goes where I live and I'm happy I can buy my vegs from local small scale producers and my eggs from my neighboor who's got twelve laying hens, that's where the flavor is, not in the cardboard tasting fruits from people with massive ressources.
There is a market for both and both should be given the proper conditions to work

Well I don't think we should be pushing small growers out. But as in all industries though those* who are good at it will eat up market share.

So if the market really wants high quality herb, the question is who can produce such herb the cheapest.

Now you may be able to compete to a certain point. But eventually buying nutes 100 tons at a time and having all sorts of data at your fingertips economy of scale is going to kick in.

You're going to be competing with guys who used to do what you do. But now have venture capitalists behind them funding the grows and reduce production costs.

The assumption that corporations can't produce a fine product is a little ridiculous.

The guys with money are always going to make the better product everything being equal but scale.

That's economics 101

[baduy]

I understand your economic point of view but there are some specifics to agriculture. Large scale farming can bring bring regularity to the amount harvested and the final product quality can be standardized, can be more responsive to a sudden and new predator or bacteria but it also goes with intensive farming practices and single crop farming which never leads to a better quality product. I'm not even speculating, regarding traditional crops organic family farms have on average 80% of the productivity of big agro companies and don't depend on their nutes suppliers, let alone the fact that a much bigger share of the money spent during the process goes to real humans.
I don't know the situation in your place but where I live organic farmers live much better lives than modern farmers who spend their days carrying toxic chemicals and have to focus on quantity rather than quality because buying-in organisations pay by the pound and they are squeezed by the loan they needed to buy a combine harvester anyway.

[Mukind]

Originally Posted by baduy

I understand your economic point of view but there are some specifics to agriculture. Large scale farming can bring bring regularity to the amount harvested and the final product quality can be standardized, can be more responsive to a sudden and new predator or bacteria but it also goes with intensive farming practices and single crop farming which never leads to a better quality product. I'm not even speculating, regarding traditional crops organic family farms have on average 80% of the productivity of big agro companies and don't depend on their nutes suppliers, let alone the fact that a much bigger share of the money spent during the process goes to real humans.
I don't know the situation in your place but where I live organic farmers live much better lives than modern farmers who spend their days carrying toxic chemicals and have to focus on quantity rather than quality because buying-in organisations pay by the pound and they are squeezed by the loan they needed to buy a combine harvester anyway.

Ok so let's say economy of scale will only get you so far

I think the big difference here is what consumers want. Consumers want cheap tomatoes, so they pay for cheap tomatoes.

Now if most American consumers want what you and I would consider dirt weed then obviously yea the corps are going to grow dirt weed.

But if there is no market for that shit it's not going to get grown. That's the major distinction here.

Concentrates and edibles may be sketchy as fuck. But it's hard to hide poorly grown flower, they're not going to get away with bad product.

[Gry]

Mud shark mythology in the marketplace.

[Mukind]

Originally Posted by Gry

economics 101 or markets myths lol

Again

Would you do better than a theoretical version of you who had millions of dollars to reduce costs?

If you believe that you're insane or stupid

People in this forum will be poached by big business who want to produce cannabis the people want.

That's reality, they're not some bumbling fuckwits. And even if they were some of us would be good enough to take over the market. There is no substantive industry that is dominated by mom and pop shops.

[Gry]

Not sure where you learned you economics or to deal with others. I will leave you your insults and your love of the marketplace and it's mythologies. Takes all kinds...

[Mukind]

Originally Posted by Gry

Not sure where you learned you economics or to deal with others. I will leave you your insults and your love of the marketplace and it's mythologies. Takes all kinds...

A world of hurt is coming to boys like you who have gotten too fat with too little skill

What are you going to do when teh finest cannabis you can produce is on every street corner for 50 an ounce?

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by Mukind

A world of hurt is coming to boys like you who have gotten too fat with too little skill

What are you going to do when teh finest cannabis you can produce is on every street corner for 50 an ounce?

dance

The government is not gonna like that though!
Loss of tax revenue gets them every time.
Moonshiners were not afraid of cops it was the revenuers...lol

[Mukind]

Originally Posted by shaggyballs

dance

The government is not gonna like that though!
Loss of tax revenue gets them every time.
Moonshiners were not afraid of cops it was the revenuers...lol

I think we will find legislators more receptive to low tax cannabis when there are lobbyists around to grease their pockets.

That will come with time

Hard to justify higher taxes on weed than alcohol when alcohol causes a lot more social ills. And it's easy to relent when you've got big cannabis filling your campaign warchest

Big business coming to our neck of the woods is going to be a great thing as long as consumers actually want good product. If we start smoking like we drink and eat we might be fucked tho