[sadpanda]

Originally Posted by amanda88

after all, its only obvious once legal,
kfc and McDonald's cannaburgers would rule?

i dont know if you're suggesting that'd be good or bad ....... sounds ok to me! lol

[GuyManDude]

Originally Posted by soil margin

Alcohol has HUGE amounts of industry regulation. Big time producers and distributors DOMINATE the market, but despite that domination, there are new craft breweries opening up every week in socal. Completely organic small businesses with no support just pop out of thin air and compete with big business, and guess what, it works out just fine. Mom and pop beer brands come out all the time, some succeed, some fail, just like with any other business.

So why are people so afraid of a little competition when it comes to cannabis? Because they got used to a protectionist monopoly and they know in their hearts they don't have the will and the determination to stand on an even playing field against fair open market competition. They know there are other people out there who are smarter and harder working than them, and they know their route to easy cash is quickly disappearing.

yes, but new laws in front of legislatures in various states are handing the licenses over to big corporations. Here, if medical goes through, the ONLY people that will be allowed to grow are the University, a big local nursery and a yet unnamed corporation. States are not going to allow the small shops to exist. It's all going to whoever lines the politicians pockets the most

This huge cash cow will belong to big business and we will still go to jail for growing because they will not allow use to get licenses.

[Kozmo]

That's right. Pigs. There all pigs, and there's only one thing to do with pigs. Fry em'. Everybody loves bacon(yes even you mr vegan).

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by GuyManDude

yes, but new laws in front of legislatures in various states are handing the licenses over to big corporations. Here, if medical goes through, the ONLY people that will be allowed to grow are the University, a big local nursery and a yet unnamed corporation. States are not going to allow the small shops to exist. It's all going to whoever lines the politicians pockets the most

This huge cash cow will belong to big business and we will still go to jail for growing because they will not allow use to get licenses.

This is what I see happening all over.

[topset1976]

[quote=shaggyballs;7647191]Please take a good look at the facts, are people in WA. given a chance to compete fairly or even just keep what they once had?

Me:
Not afraid of competition, I am afraid of elimination!
That is the reality of the current situation, elimination not competition.
Fair competition is a great thing!
Low prices, no black market and more.
Some are not given such luxury.
The writing is on the wall bro, just take a moment out from the grind and have a read.

This this this this this this!!!!!!!!
Unfortuanly we all knew this was extremely probable. The soldiers that fought for legalization are being pushed out now that they have opened the door. Corporate interests only hindered the process and now that it has become "legitimized" they can't wait to cash in and lock the very people who made this possible out. It sickens me to think of what could happen if we are not aware of this situation and unwilling to fight. The scary part is it took us 60 fighting the government which luckily is a body that can be changed, however slow. The question is how likely is it to make change once it is dominated by billion dollar corporations which are bodies, as we all know, that have no incentive to change.

[topset1976]

Originally Posted by Hash Zeppelin

Auma is not a conspiracy trying to fuck over medical marijuana. If California voters approve AUMA, the pressure for federal marijuana law reform could finally become irresistible to politicians in Washington; if not, it will no doubt be interpreted as a major setback for marijuana reform at the national level. This bill will not effect medical growers.

This is taken straight from the bill. "The initiative does not alter the protections of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 (Prop 215) allowing medical use of marijuana (11362.45(i)). Physician recommendations must conform to minimal standards already established under MMRSA and current medical marijuana legislation (11362.712)."

There are many California court precedents protecting you. Only your doctor can put a limit on your plant count. This has 3 California 3rd circuit court of appeals precedents.

Proceed with caution! I live in Oregon and when our legal cannabis bill was voted on and passed it had specific language in it stating the existing medical rules and numbers are not to be touched. Guess what, the state senate voted and changed medical laws anyway. Med growers were now only allowed to have 4 patients and you had to be grandfathered in. Once you loose a patient for whatever reason you are not allowed to get a new one to take their place. This way its just a matter of time before everyone is only allowed to grow for themselves. Co-ops that were growing for hundreds of people are gone. Like all states they want their cut and medical doesn't pay them like rec does. The rec industry is going along since if there are less med patients getting meds for free that means those patients have to go to their store to buy meds now. I have been a medical grower for 6 people for 9 years and even though i can't grow the same number of plants i still take care of all my patients but I know of many growers that can't afford to anymore. This really opened my eyes to just how little power the people have compared to our government. If the people can write up a bill, get signatures, put it on the ballet with spicific wording that states medical WILL NOT BE TOUCHED, passes by a large majority but then the state sentate can decide on their own via a vote of thier own to do exactly what the bill said they couldn't is something that can and will happen in any other state. Once a precedent has been set and the results benefited the ones who wanted the change you can bet it will happen everywhere. And this happened in Oregon which is about as liberal as you can get yet. Just imagine what would happen in other states. I can see them not allowing the people to grow anything and giving the licenses to tobacco growers /rant

[shaggyballs]

Just follow the cash trail in Cali. time will tell and history usually repeats itself.

[Mukind]

Originally Posted by topset1976

Proceed with caution! I live in Oregon and when our legal cannabis bill was voted on and passed it had specific language in it stating the existing medical rules and numbers are not to be touched. Guess what, the state senate voted and changed medical laws anyway. Med growers were now only allowed to have 4 patients and you had to be grandfathered in. Once you loose a patient for whatever reason you are not allowed to get a new one to take their place. This way its just a matter of time before everyone is only allowed to grow for themselves. Co-ops that were growing for hundreds of people are gone. Like all states they want their cut and medical doesn't pay them like rec does. The rec industry is going along since if there are less med patients getting meds for free that means those patients have to go to their store to buy meds now. I have been a medical grower for 6 people for 9 years and even though i can't grow the same number of plants i still take care of all my patients but I know of many growers that can't afford to anymore. This really opened my eyes to just how little power the people have compared to our government. If the people can write up a bill, get signatures, put it on the ballet with spicific wording that states medical WILL NOT BE TOUCHED, passes by a large majority but then the state sentate can decide on their own via a vote of thier own to do exactly what the bill said they couldn't is something that can and will happen in any other state. Once a precedent has been set and the results benefited the ones who wanted the change you can bet it will happen everywhere. And this happened in Oregon which is about as liberal as you can get yet. Just imagine what would happen in other states. I can see them not allowing the people to grow anything and giving the licenses to tobacco growers /rant

They don't make you take civics classes in Oregon?

Surprise we live in a Republic...

Who gives a shit about medical marijuana? People have been working in this industry all our lives. Legal or not

Just because your cash cow is drying up isn't a reason to cry about it. The reality is big corps are going to be better than you at this.

They're going to make a better product for a cheaper price because they're going to work at massive scale. Just like everything else.

They will have access to all the knowledge and resources you do. Just with exponential more capital to put in it.

Not that I have a problem with communists. But if you sell reefer you're not a communist, so shut the fuck up

Edit - Topset isn't saying anything different and while I quoted him beyond the civics class comment this applies to all of you whining. If they're not good at it, go do better than them. OFC none of you think you're going to do that. Again these corps are going to have all the resources you have and more, they will make better product not worse.

[geneva_sativa]

Originally Posted by topset1976

Proceed with caution! I live in Oregon and when our legal cannabis bill was voted on and passed it had specific language in it stating the existing medical rules and numbers are not to be touched. Guess what, the state senate voted and changed medical laws anyway. Med growers were now only allowed to have 4 patients and you had to be grandfathered in. Once you loose a patient for whatever reason you are not allowed to get a new one to take their place. This way its just a matter of time before everyone is only allowed to grow for themselves. Co-ops that were growing for hundreds of people are gone. Like all states they want their cut and medical doesn't pay them like rec does. The rec industry is going along since if there are less med patients getting meds for free that means those patients have to go to their store to buy meds now. I have been a medical grower for 6 people for 9 years and even though i can't grow the same number of plants i still take care of all my patients but I know of many growers that can't afford to anymore. This really opened my eyes to just how little power the people have compared to our government. If the people can write up a bill, get signatures, put it on the ballet with spicific wording that states medical WILL NOT BE TOUCHED, passes by a large majority but then the state sentate can decide on their own via a vote of thier own to do exactly what the bill said they couldn't is something that can and will happen in any other state. Once a precedent has been set and the results benefited the ones who wanted the change you can bet it will happen everywhere. And this happened in Oregon which is about as liberal as you can get yet. Just imagine what would happen in other states. I can see them not allowing the people to grow anything and giving the licenses to tobacco growers /rant

Yeah, same in WA.

+ rep and thanks for sharing

[baduy]

So Mukind do you think you get better tomatoes in a big supermarket than in a local organic farm?
That's not how it goes where I live and I'm happy I can buy my vegs from local small scale producers and my eggs from my neighboor who's got twelve laying hens, that's where the flavor is, not in the cardboard tasting fruits from people with massive ressources.
There is a market for both and both should be given the proper conditions to work