[Hash Zeppelin]

Auma is not a conspiracy trying to fuck over medical marijuana. If California voters approve AUMA, the pressure for federal marijuana law reform could finally become irresistible to politicians in Washington; if not, it will no doubt be interpreted as a major setback for marijuana reform at the national level. This bill will not effect medical growers.

This is taken straight from the bill. "The initiative does not alter the protections of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 (Prop 215) allowing medical use of marijuana (11362.45(i)). Physician recommendations must conform to minimal standards already established under MMRSA and current medical marijuana legislation (11362.712)."

There are many California court precedents protecting you. Only your doctor can put a limit on your plant count. This has 3 California 3rd circuit court of appeals precedents.

[Hash Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by geneva_sativa

Yep, the folks advocating with that piss-poor excuse, are either truly naïve, or deliberately misleading folks just to get control of the market.

I don't see how people keep missing this.

This is taken straight from the bill. This exempting medical cannabis from the same regulations as recreational.

"The initiative does not alter the protections of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 (Prop 215) allowing medical use of marijuana (11362.45(i)). Physician recommendations must conform to minimal standards already established under MMRSA and current medical marijuana legislation (11362.712)."

There are many California court precedents protecting you. Only your doctor can put a limit on your plant count. This has 3 California 3rd circuit court of appeals precedents.

You know what I think. I think this no on AUMA b.s. is just a bunch of paranoid stoners falling for fear propaganda spread by large growers that already control the market. They are not good enough growers, or smart enough business men to adjust their business model and stay in business. They are scared of change. They depend on the black market and their little payed off nitch of sheriffs and postal employees. They would go,out of business if they couldn't ship their garbage weed to the east coast for 3k a pound. They can't keep up with modern grows.

[soil margin]

Originally Posted by _tessarecting

Soil margins just a troll, good post

Yes anyone who makes a point you can't refute is a troll. Keep believing that.

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by Hash Zeppelin

I don't see how people keep missing this.

I feel the same way, just the flip side of the coin!
We are afraid of elimination and over regulation.
Not the competition, the new laws are not being drawn up in favor of fair competition, the are drawn up for elimination and control.

If you take the time to look real close, you will see this is true!
Please don't forget after legalization the medical laws can be tossed out in a split second. Then where does the idea of fairness leave you.

I have made this point countless times, being called a fear monger by those that have there eyes wide shut.

Peace
Shag

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by soil margin

Yes anyone who makes a point you can't refute is a troll. Keep believing that.

This is incorrect, your point is very easy to refute with real facts and a bit of shot term history.
What makes you a Troll is your refusal to find the facts and face them for yourself.

Originally Posted by soil margin

Alcohol has HUGE amounts of industry regulation. Big time producers and distributors DOMINATE the market, but despite that domination, there are new craft breweries opening up every week in socal. Completely organic small businesses with no support just pop out of thin air and compete with big business, and guess what, it works out just fine. Mom and pop beer brands come out all the time, some succeed, some fail, just like with any other business.

Are you sure everyone can grow/ brew their own under the new laws of WA.and other states? Hmm I think some states used to allow home growing but that was eliminated...eliminating the competition no?
How many states currently allow home growing? A good start to finding the reason people don't want to give up any more rights VIA legalization.
So why are people so afraid of a little competition when it comes to cannabis? They are not it is elimination and over regulation they are afriad of. Because they got used to a protectionist monopoly and they know in their hearts they don't have the will and the determination to stand on an even playing field against fair open market competition. Have you even looked over the new laws in WA.? They know there are other people out there who are smarter and harder working than them, and they know their route to easy cash is quickly disappearing. I personally have other reasons for my stance! And it is not for the reasons you propose.

State some cold hard facts or stay a Troll your call!
I am up for a fair debate, you seem to think you have the facts correct but things are not as you state they are.

Peace
Shag

[Timeless Seeds]

Love reading the difference of opinions. In my opinion, demand for good home grown will be there regardless of the laws.

[sadpanda]

Laws that 1) make sense, 2) we can be PROUD of, 3) that try to HELP steer people back into the right direction rather than give them a lifetime supply of shovels ... it blows my mind that I'm actually asking too much here (apparently, if history of laws are anything to go by).

It's like we're living in an alternate reality -- try explaining to an alien that marijuana is schedule 1 while cocaine and crystal methamphetamine are schedule 2, ketamine daterape/horse tranquilizer schedule 3, and xanax benzos schedule 4. Explain how we know it helps cancer patients and people with chronic pain and seizures etc more than any other drug on the planet yet we keep it from them and dose them up on synthetic pharmacy drug$. Also explain how the USA is the only country in the world that lets pharmaceutical companies set their own prices, and also explain how the USA with its private prison$ has 22% of the global prison population despite only 4% of the global population.

I'm not sure what aliens would make of all that, but I know if they have little green eyebrows one would be raised...

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by sadpanda

Laws that 1) make sense, 2) we can be PROUD of, 3) that try to HELP steer people back into the right direction rather than give them a lifetime supply of shovels ... it blows my mind that I'm actually asking too much here (apparently, if history of laws are anything to go by).

It's like we're living in an alternate reality -- try explaining to an alien that marijuana is schedule 1 while cocaine and crystal methamphetamine are schedule 2, ketamine daterape/horse tranquilizer schedule 3, and xanax benzos schedule 4. Explain how we know it helps cancer patients and people with chronic pain and seizures etc more than any other drug on the planet yet we keep it from them and dose them up on synthetic pharmacy drug$. I feel you know the answer to this one $$$$$$$$$$ Also explain how the USA is the only country in the world that lets pharmaceutical companies set their own prices, and also explain how the USA with its private prison$ has 22% of the global prison population despite only 4% of the global population.
Prison for profit is a very bad idea.

I'm not sure what aliens would make of all that, but I know if they have little green eyebrows one would be raised...

I say "A plant in every yard!"
No regulations, no taxes if there is no sale or donation.
Just "Grow your own and leave me alone."

Shag

[amanda88]

If you are not for legalisation,

like me and the current UK govt...CHILL

as its business as usual for us

after all, its only obvious once legal,

kfc and McDonald's cannaburgers would rule?

[amanda88]

If you are not for legalisation,

like me and the current UK govt...CHILL

as its business as usual for us

after all, its only obvious once legal,

kfc and McDonald's cannaburgers would rule?

[Kozmo]

I'm with you ShaggyB. This is not the only thing we as people are getting caged in about. Go ask someone who has taken out a student loan. It's in every aspect of our sociaty, we are no more then a commodity on an assembly line. Down with this ancient system, down with money(an imaginary thing), down with self destructive human nature. Freedom of life, information, and love.

Much respect