[oldbean]

Originally Posted by GoatCheese

Blue Dream is supposed to be a Blueberry-strain crossed to some sort of haze (SSH?), and i have never grown a Satori that would be close to a blueberry hybrid (taste or effect) and i have grown pure BB and BB hybrids myself.


There are indica leaning phenos in Satori but they are more spicey, not berry or fruity smelling like you'd expect Blueberry/Amnesia crosses to be.


The high of Satori is also sort of typical N. Indian /Nepali, similar to Landrace Nepali i have grown = somewhat trippy with a larger dose.


..but i dunno.

I agree that there is no berry or blueberry phenos in satori but I've not experienced a spicy pheno yet.

Personally I'm looking for the sour sweet lime skunk pheno that I grew in 2010, gave a wicked cottonmouth that complented a coconut & pineapple juice drink& I've not found it again but am getting citrusy, fruity almost orangey haze & others that are more velvety, honey, complex almost incence with a mix of[b]skyrocket & spear phenotypes.

Are the indica one the bat phenos? Ive never found one yet! Have you had the garlic/onion pheno? Are there any other expressions you come across in the line?

I have a few packs of the original with the lower yeild stayed on the pack & also a few of the newer with an improved yield printed on the pack, I couldn't say which years they are from but approx 2006 & 2010, no idea what a phenos come out of a fresh pack these days maybe the spicy you refer to?

I always thought Satori was a blend of north Indian landraces (white satin?) & landrance Nepali sativa? Never heard of this Lucid Dream link before as seed finder*** says unknown strain.

Maybe Mike or Jasmine might see this discussion & give us some more info?

Originally Posted by Robney

You know I'm guilty of overlooking kc brains, which strains of theirs did you enjoy?

Leda Uno to be specific as its the most lemony lemon strain I've smoked & it absolutely reaks of spicy lemon. I have found a purple/black pheno once. Smelt and tasted of lavender, like an old ladies perfume

KC Mango is a good one but I have packs of these 2 strains and KC36 that are 15years old so not sure what they are like nowadays. I note that KC offers feminised stuff now.

I always loved Nirvana strains too, nice & cheap they were but everyone hated on Nirvana Seeds back in the day as they were essentially early skunk#1 RKS pheno crosses. Even SamS has said that UK Cheese is a very good RKS expression..so imagine what Nirvana were knocking out

Apologies for the long post

Peace

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by Robney

I hear you, but have you smoked a lot of blue dream? I personally wouldn't consider it too close to blueberry, and I get suspicious if it's really fruity because I've seen more BD with hazier overtones that create this incredible smell in the air. I've grown out DJ short's azure haze and HSO blue dream and both had distinctly fruity flavors that differentiated them from what I consider BD.

Funny you mention the indica Satori phenos, I have one and I agree they have a lot of spice, but there are some mild fruity flavors in there too, it's by far one of the more complex aromas of cannabis I've smelt. My girl and her friend smoked some the other night and noted some fruit/grape flavor in the spiciness, so I think that flavor is there, maybe not prevalent in the phenos you've seen. Also, didn't the make up of the beans sold as Satori change a few years after the release, like a Satori 2.0? I think I'm misremembering rumors as facts, but does anyone know?

You have a landrace Nepali? Awesome! Does it grow huge? Any pics to share? That's incredible Mike at Mandala managed to carry the Nepali high through the cross! Maybe I should pop those 8 mile high beans I've got as well

I have few bud pics of the Baglung Nepali in my photo albums. Did not grow huge in small pots. Alot of pheno variation.




Leafly tells us that Lucid Dream would be a berry tasting sativa-plant, but i haven't found any berries in Satori aromas.


Also, I'd expect this Amnesia Haze/Blue Dream to bring more sativa expressions to Satori.
..and imo there is not a huge lot of "dutch genetics" in satori, judging By the looks and taste. But this is just my oppinion, not facts.

[GoatCheese]

Oldbean


The indica pheno i found from satori seeds was quite compact, spicey and Super frosty. It was also darker in color than the fruitier taller plants.
..but it wasn't an afghani-type plant. The effect was still somewhat similar to the taller plants, maybe a bit more relaxing

[oldbean]

Thanks for info GoatsCheese, I shall keep my eyes peeled next time I germ a satori which maybe soon as this week I've sampled a bud from a clone I passed to a friend. I miss her. Such a clear, creative & potent effect.



I don't think there are any Dutch/western genetics in Satori & I don't expect to see afghanica at all just Sativa's as that's what Satori is.., old style landrace & they were indica sativa at the same time, check RCC articles..a very blurred line as these are cultivated landraces for religious & medicinal use from the dawn of time...

Please correct me if I am wrong, no disrespect to anyone

Peace, shalom, namaste, namaskar, dhanyavad, bole so nihal

1love, 1 human family

[GoatCheese]

The short pheno i found looked pretty similar to this one:
..not grown By me. Photo from s-eedfinder:

[Lester Beans]

Has blue dream been around as long as Satori? I highly doubt there is any blue dream in Satori. On the Mandala website is says the genetics are Nepali.

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by Lester Beans

Has blue dream been around as long as Satori? I highly doubt there is any blue dream in Satori. On the Mandala website is says the genetics are Nepali.

Many sites usually mentiones it as 'Nepali x unknown' or something like that, and i can't remeber it being marketed as PURE Nepali when it was released 10+ years ago. I grew it 2006 (and last year) and really liked it. ..some phenos hermie a little, thou.


I think they have rewriten/edited the info on their site regarding Satori at some point.
The way the Satori-story is now writen on their site, to me, it still kinda implies it might not be pure Nep., cause it states something like "the Nep. female was basis for further breeding" ..but i'm speculating.

[oldbean]

This post of mine has links to a lab analysis of Satori

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.ph...&postcount=204

Enjoy

[Koondense]

I thought Mandala usually don't breed more than 2 gen from original parents, also never heard of Lucid Dream being a part of Satori. To me it was always a Nepalese hybrid as stated on the Mandala site. If there was some other variety involved there would be mention of it by Mandala.
Leafly is just not accurate it seems, I trust more seed finder and original breeder infos.

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by Koondense

I thought Mandala usually don't breed more than 2 gen from original parents, also never heard of Lucid Dream being a part of Satori. To me it was always a Nepalese hybrid as stated on the Mandala site. If there was some other variety involved there would be mention of it by Mandala.
Leafly is just not accurate it seems, I trust more seed finder and original breeder infos.

I just can't remember it being sold as pure Nepali back then, so i'm wondering. I have nothing aganst it being pure Nep hybrid. heh-heh so i'm good. Smokes like a Nep anyways.

..but one thing i'm pretty sure about is that Satori hasn't got Amnesia Haze or Blueberry in it, so i'm guessing that maybe the "Lucid Dream" is actually the original Nep. mom, with such a name given to it by Mandala crew??
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Seeds- finder can't be fully trusted when it comes to lineages, but i still like it too. But better do some double-checking if the info is important to you.
It says that Satori is Nepali x "unknown", while Mandala's own site could imply that it is a pure Nep. like you and Lester thought.
..see what i mean with seed-finder.


Also..
Ed's book(s) about cannabis lineages have mistakes in it/them. He also got atleast Sensi Seeds' 'Maple Leaf Indica' wrong, like possibly the Satori we have been talking about.
Here's a post from Nevil, the breeder of MLI, telling what MLI really is:

The original Q to Nevil was..
Q: "..maple leaf indica according to Ed R (same book) is: Female Ortega15 x Sam afghan skunk X male Skunk 18.5. Any idea if this is correct?"

Originally Posted by Nevil

I don't know what Ed is calling Maple leaf.
Ortega 15 was Maple leaf. This was crossed with AfgTx Sk and AfgS x sk males.
AfgT and AfgS were both sisters and pure maple leaf. Maybe Ed thought that AfgS meant Afg(Sam). It doesn't. The hybrid Ed is talking about is 3/4 Maple Leaf.
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Link to the post
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/59005-post21.html

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Originally Posted by Robney

Also, didn't the make up of the beans sold as Satori change a few years after the release, like a Satori 2.0? I think I'm misremembering rumors as facts, but does anyone know?

Now that i read the new Satori-story little better, they do imply that by saying "Satori has been ongoing project", or something like that. ..i kinda moved onto other varieties, so didn't keep track.
If so, then i think i bought the very first version, and the pack or two i got later, might be abit different. Good to know.