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WaterFarmFan · 09-20-2016, 08:49 AM

Hello all. I have been trying to sort out all of the ins and outs of sativas for the last few months. Having grown mostly indicas, a few things seemed counter-intuitive like:

12/12 for freshly rooted clones
small pots til after stretch
less than 12/12 light cycles

While there are many many people here killing it indoors, quite a few plants that followed the above advice seemed less than stellar yielders. All of that being said, I see the logic in each of the items above. That is the rub, how to get max yield without the plants hitting the roof. I learned a lot from Dr.King, may he RIP, and how he was using aggressive scrog techniques.

So, I wanted to get some feedback on the following plan for Oldtimers Haze regular:

1 ft x 7ft scrog in the back of the closet, so that it could grow unbothered for its long run.

Plants from regular seed (2 selected females out of 6 that germed) that are vegged under 24/0 light until sex is shown naturally (6-8 weeks).

After sexed, 2x selected females will be aggressively topped to have only 2x tops with all other growth (90% foliage) removed. Each plant will be then (at time of topping) transplanted from 1.5 gallon pot to 7 gallon smartpot with ~5.5 gallon of pure coco and placed under 12/12 for 10 weeks and then 11/13 for duration.

Each of the two plants will placed on opposite sides of the scrog. Plants will only have two tops that are woven down the length of the screen. All side shots will be removed until the stems make it past half way down the scrog.

The idea is that removing a large portion of the foliage at the same time transplanting to final large pot will allow it hit my target height of 8-10 feet of total linear plant using the length of the scrog.

I would love any feedback. Plan on growing Zamaldelica in a similar fashion, but with more females and a larger 3x7 screen.

Visualization of the concept is below, but it only shows one plant. The second will come from the other side and fill the screen.

Lester Beans · 09-20-2016, 04:08 PM

I would veg on 18/6. Let those roots grow!

Other than that sounds like you have a solid plan.

Definitely keep the container on the small side or you will out grow your area regardless of technique.

WaterFarmFan · 09-20-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lester Beans

I would veg on 18/6. Let those roots grow!

Other than that sounds like you have a solid plan.

Definitely keep the container on the small side or you will out grow your area regardless of technique.

Thanks Lester! My veg area is not light proof, and I have always had good results with 24/0, but if I had a veg tent or other than I would likely do 18/6.

I am debating whether to use #5 smartpots with 3.5-4 gallons of coco. That might be the sweet spot for this style.

WFF

09-20-2016, 08:30 PM

Do it, sounds emminently sensible to me. I got 300g from a Malawi having mainlined it and vegged for about 10 weeks

Did the same to Zamaldelica and Golden Tiger and got some lovely yields.
I have utterly lost control with others though, the Malawi might be a little more "tamed" than the OTH, so I shall be watching this with much interest.
Good luck

Terpene · 09-20-2016, 09:23 PM

Dr. King died??! Too bad, some great pics from that guy..

Clones at 12/12 will produce vertical plants with decent yield, but your scrog idea is better. Hazes are low yielders and like big stem thickness to really pump it out.

Repot sativa plants regularly, you'll find they need lots of rooting space. Before I went 3.5 gallon SIP, I took two tomato cages, zip tied them together and put them over 10 gallon pots like this:

Haze on day 1 of flower:

7 weeks:

12 weeks:

Finish:

I've seen lots of people scrog hazes very successfully. Mine all ran stems roughly the size of screwdriver handles (1-1.5" thick). With an initial screen to spread the plant, a few stakes and some wire ties, you should be able to keep the height to about 18-24 inches off the top of the screen. Just make sure that baby is FLAT on day one of flower.

If they wont behave, don't be afraid of LST / bending / breaking / supercropping the plant in early flower (weeks 1-4).

Terpene · 09-21-2016, 09:07 AM

Actually, now that I look back, here's an example of what not to do

I let this haze grow through the screen about 9 inches or so to develop strong tops before being tossed into 11/13. The result was too much stretching and sticks, wires and secondary supports galore to control the spread of haze.

Day 1

Midway

And a total and complete mess by the end..

More here: Ace Seeds Purple Haze Gallery

LostTribe · 10-05-2016, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Terpene

Actually, now that I look back, here's an example of what not to do

I let this haze grow through the screen about 9 inches or so to develop strong tops before being tossed into 11/13. The result was too much stretching and sticks, wires and secondary supports galore to control the spread of haze.

Day 1
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Midway
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And a total and complete mess by the end..
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More here: Ace Seeds Purple Haze Gallery

Did you go to 10/14? If so when? Man much respect your way man 6 months is a hell of a long long time to roll out these puppies. Not sure I would keep any that end up being that long blooming. Did you have any quicker phenos?

Terpene · 10-05-2016, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LostTribe

Did you go to 10/14? If so when? Man much respect your way man 6 months is a hell of a long long time to roll out these puppies. Not sure I would keep any that end up being that long blooming. Did you have any quicker phenos?

For the first plant, at that point I think I was running 11.5D/12.5N and the soil may have been a bit too juiced with nitrogen to start. I never change my lighting schedule up or down (perpetual setup) so I just let it sit in the corner until it sealed off.

Of all the hazes I've run, that one was the longest running and the most extreme sativa in leaf shape, growth, everything. Under 11D/13N I'd bet that plant would have taken 21-22 weeks to finish. I also think that plant had the best overall smoke - very clear and dreamy, great purple blackberry brandy smell. The blackberry brandy note was very noticeable in the rubbed stem smell as well. Most of the haze line have a sandalwood "back" to the nose, this one didn't have that, it was all blackberry liquor.

I made my own haze F2s from another round (which were less extreme sativa in growth) and they finish between 15-18 weeks under 11D/13N.

LostTribe · 10-05-2016, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterFarmFan

Thanks Lester! My veg area is not light proof, and I have always had good results with 24/0, but if I had a veg tent or other than I would likely do 18/6.

I am debating whether to use #5 smartpots with 3.5-4 gallons of coco. That might be the sweet spot for this style.

WFF

THATS way too big a pot for these homie! I am in 6 inch pots that are less than 1L in volume and peat/ewc/perlite 70/15/15 mix adding top dressings of bat guanos manly Indonesian but a tiny bit of Mexican was initially used. I dont have any N deficiency or any others.....24/0 or 18/6 are both fine to veg that is what I was on started with 24 then 18/6 now they are off and running at 11/13 FTW!

09-20-2016, 08:49 AM	#1
WaterFarmFan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,636	Oldtimer Haze from seed Hello all. I have been trying to sort out all of the ins and outs of sativas for the last few months. Having grown mostly indicas, a few things seemed counter-intuitive like: 12/12 for freshly rooted clones small pots til after stretch less than 12/12 light cycles While there are many many people here killing it indoors, quite a few plants that followed the above advice seemed less than stellar yielders. All of that being said, I see the logic in each of the items above. That is the rub, how to get max yield without the plants hitting the roof. I learned a lot from Dr.King, may he RIP, and how he was using aggressive scrog techniques. So, I wanted to get some feedback on the following plan for Oldtimers Haze regular: 1 ft x 7ft scrog in the back of the closet, so that it could grow unbothered for its long run. Plants from regular seed (2 selected females out of 6 that germed) that are vegged under 24/0 light until sex is shown naturally (6-8 weeks). After sexed, 2x selected females will be aggressively topped to have only 2x tops with all other growth (90% foliage) removed. Each plant will be then (at time of topping) transplanted from 1.5 gallon pot to 7 gallon smartpot with ~5.5 gallon of pure coco and placed under 12/12 for 10 weeks and then 11/13 for duration. Each of the two plants will placed on opposite sides of the scrog. Plants will only have two tops that are woven down the length of the screen. All side shots will be removed until the stems make it past half way down the scrog. The idea is that removing a large portion of the foliage at the same time transplanting to final large pot will allow it hit my target height of 8-10 feet of total linear plant using the length of the scrog. I would love any feedback. Plan on growing Zamaldelica in a similar fashion, but with more females and a larger 3x7 screen. Visualization of the concept is below, but it only shows one plant. The second will come from the other side and fill the screen.
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09-20-2016, 04:08 PM	#2
Lester Beans Frequent Flyer Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ~ In The Garden Pulling Weeds ~ Posts: 3,223	I would veg on 18/6. Let those roots grow! Other than that sounds like you have a solid plan. Definitely keep the container on the small side or you will out grow your area regardless of technique.
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09-20-2016, 09:23 PM	#5
Terpene I love the smell of cannabis in the morning Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: 32N Posts: 1,338	Dr. King died??! Too bad, some great pics from that guy.. Clones at 12/12 will produce vertical plants with decent yield, but your scrog idea is better. Hazes are low yielders and like big stem thickness to really pump it out. Repot sativa plants regularly, you'll find they need lots of rooting space. Before I went 3.5 gallon SIP, I took two tomato cages, zip tied them together and put them over 10 gallon pots like this: Haze on day 1 of flower: 7 weeks: 12 weeks: Finish: I've seen lots of people scrog hazes very successfully. Mine all ran stems roughly the size of screwdriver handles (1-1.5" thick). With an initial screen to spread the plant, a few stakes and some wire ties, you should be able to keep the height to about 18-24 inches off the top of the screen. Just make sure that baby is FLAT on day one of flower. If they wont behave, don't be afraid of LST / bending / breaking / supercropping the plant in early flower (weeks 1-4). __________________ “Make the most you can of the Indian hemp seed and sow it everywhere.” – George Washington "Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." - Thomas Jefferson "Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln
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09-21-2016, 09:07 AM	#6
Terpene I love the smell of cannabis in the morning Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: 32N Posts: 1,338	Actually, now that I look back, here's an example of what not to do I let this haze grow through the screen about 9 inches or so to develop strong tops before being tossed into 11/13. The result was too much stretching and sticks, wires and secondary supports galore to control the spread of haze. Day 1 Midway And a total and complete mess by the end.. More here: Ace Seeds Purple Haze Gallery __________________ “Make the most you can of the Indian hemp seed and sow it everywhere.” – George Washington "Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." - Thomas Jefferson "Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln
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09-20-2016, 08:30 PM	#4
Baron Greenback Guest Posts: n/a	Do it, sounds emminently sensible to me. I got 300g from a Malawi having mainlined it and vegged for about 10 weeks Did the same to Zamaldelica and Golden Tiger and got some lovely yields. I have utterly lost control with others though, the Malawi might be a little more "tamed" than the OTH, so I shall be watching this with much interest. Good luck
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