[oldchuck]

I buy their caps right down town. A buck a cap which isn't too bad a price. I tend to trust their testing. I don't think 20mg is enough for a dose that would effectively treat my seizures. I bet you could get a lot more than 20 mg in a OO cap that is mostly coconut oil. I'd like a higher concentration and a cheaper price.

[socioecologist]

Originally Posted by Under Mi Sensi

Hey Soc Ec:

Have you heard about these guys? The are killing it with their CBD pills...20mg CBD per capsule. Taking CBD hemp by storm here in VT... Thoughts?

Does your product/seeds/genetics compare with what they got going on? They claim to be 100% compliant THC wise lab testinging included....Which I find to be an issue with most CBD hemp providers.

www.greenmountaincbd.com

https://www.instagram.com/greenmountaincbd/

We watched them get things going all season on Instagram, wishing them nothing but the best (but no personal contact with them though). Their approach sounds like ours in terms of doing all of our own breeding work. We don't sell finished products, just raw flowers for extraction. Most of our lines from 2016 had a bit higher ratios, but 25:1 is respectable. 20 mg per capsule is fine for effective micro dosing, but, as oldchuck alludes to, it's not enough for more serious conditions.

Their final product is definitely below 0.3% THC, but that doesn't mean the flowers were. Vermont didn't have a testing protocol for 2016 (though that is likely to change), so there's not way to verify that independently.

Our favorite in-house from 2016 was JH-1. Results from the earliest harvest (fully seeded by a neighbor) can be found here; most of our flowers went for another 3 weeks before harvest and ended up around 14% CBD crop wide when flowers and leaves are stripped from the stalk. Our THC compliance test 30 days before harvest came in at 0.074%. Final THC concentrations depend on harvest time; compatibility of our genetics with each state law depends on testing / sampling requirements. Our 2016 lines can pass most state protocols; 100% of our clients passed their Oregon tests. Our 2017 and 2018 lines are designed for less restrictive testing regimes since that is where the market and laws are headed.

[oldchuck]

Vermont only recently authorized some kind of testing and inspection program. Not clear how extensive that will be and I doubt they will have it going this season. Springing money for much will be difficult this year. State budgets are very tight, much apprehension about what might come out of Congress for a very blue state.

[Under Mi Sensi]

Originally Posted by socioecologist

Their final product is definitely below 0.3% THC, but that doesn't mean the flowers were. Vermont didn't have a testing protocol for 2016 (though that is likely to change), so there's not way to verify that independently.

Our favorite in-house from 2016 was JH-1. Results from the earliest harvest (fully seeded by a neighbor) can be found here;

Soc Eco:
Couple of questions in relation to THC% in Green Mountains product. If their flower was in fact above 0.3% THC how would they go about getting their oil to test far below that value? Would they be diluting their product with straight coconut oil to reduce the THC level? If that was in fact the case I would assume that the overall CBD levels would be diluted as well. This could mean that their flower was a much higher CBD:THC ratio than 25:1 if they are selling diluted extract oil. I hear they make their full plant extract using coconut oil, pressure cookers and heat over time. Would this convert any THC to CBD to ensure their product tested low? I thought the final degradation of THC is CBN not CBD.

Also, I'm interested in your JH-1 cultivar but you mentioned it got pollinated by a neighbors hemp crop. Does that mean the seeds you have available are not true breeding JH-1? Do you have any idea if the hemp that pollinated your crop was high in CBD? Or do you have other "clean" locations for your breeding, seed production?

Thanks for any incite on this.

[socioecologist]

Originally Posted by Under Mi Sensi

Soc Eco:
Would they be diluting their product with straight coconut oil to reduce the THC level?

This. Yes. Simple process.

Originally Posted by Under Mi Sensi

If that was in fact the case I would assume that the overall CBD levels would be diluted as well. This could mean that their flower was a much higher CBD:THC ratio than 25:1

The ratio of CBD to THC stays the same...

Originally Posted by Under Mi Sensi

Would this convert any THC to CBD to ensure their product tested low? I thought the final degradation of THC is CBN not CBD.

You are correct that THC turns to CBN and not CBD.

Originally Posted by Under Mi Sensi

Also, I'm interested in your JH-1 cultivar but you mentioned it got pollinated by a neighbors hemp crop. Does that mean the seeds you have available are not true breeding JH-1? Do you have any idea if the hemp that pollinated your crop was high in CBD? Or do you have other "clean" locations for your breeding, seed production?

Thanks for any incite on this.

We have 6 separate R&D sites around Oregon, including greenhouses and large indoor spaces for winter breeding. 3 / 6 were hit with rogue pollen last season and the seed crops were discarded. JH-1 was our field production champ from last year, but we have 20+ varieties to trial this year. Many of those will be far superior. If you are serious about hemp production, please come visit us.

[socioecologist]

Is it really mid-March already??? I'm usually looking forward to spring, but this year I need a couple more months of short days to accomplish all the breeding work I wanted to get done. The backlog in lab tests has been particularly problematic this winter, as we end up waiting 3-4 weeks to ID high ratio plants in our F2 selections before we can advance them in our programs. Oh well, if you can't be patient and enjoy the process, what's the point?

With spring knocking on the door, we are getting all our irrigation supplies, compost, new equipment, etc. ordered and then waiting for fields to be dry enough to work. Large scale farming happens on a different time frame than I was used to when growing small numbers of plants. When things finally dry out enough to work the land, you have to be ready for 16 hour days for weeks on end to crank it out. Same is true on harvest, but you have to beat the rain; partially for mold, rot, and other actual plant issues, but mostly for equipment, personnel safety, and cover crop planting--fields quickly turn to swamps once the rain hits and you screw yourself over for the next season before it even starts.

The light cycle experiment with our "early" lines has been a smashing success in my mind and will allow us and other farmers to achieve that last goal: getting plants harvested before October in Oregon. The test plants pictured below are enjoying the equivalent of August 15th day length @ 45N. I am really looking forward to seeing our production field full of ripening flowers when everyone else is just starting to push clusters.

[oldchuck]

S, I'm wondering how you go about harvesting several acres of CBD hemp. I know modified combines are used for fiber and seed hemp but that seems inappropriate if your product is CBD flower heads. Seems like you would need a couple hundred field hands to bring in a big crop or is there some kind of farm tool that can do it behind a tractor.

[socioecologist]

Originally Posted by oldchuck

S, I'm wondering how you go about harvesting several acres of CBD hemp. I know modified combines are used for fiber and seed hemp but that seems inappropriate if your product is CBD flower heads. Seems like you would need a couple hundred field hands to bring in a big crop or is there some kind of farm tool that can do it behind a tractor.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL6EDOMj...n-by=oregoncbd

All by hand last season in Oregon. At our main farm, we harvested two rows at a time. One person with big pruning loppers per row cutting plants in front of our tractor, 2-3 people tossing the plants onto a very large tarp being pulled behind the tractor. Rows are 1200' long, so we'd end up with pretty big stacks of plants on the tarp by the end. We could fit 4 rows at a time in our truck.

A wagon pulled behind the tractor makes more sense, but we were harvesting real late in the season and the field was just too muddy for anything other than a tarp. Things will be different this season for sure...our production scale is increasing dramatically, requiring a significant change in our harvesting and drying procedures.

We had to make some big achievements in plant breeding to make this feasible; now that we can count on our plants to be harvestable at a particular time, we can guarantee good field conditions for larger harvesting equipment like this one, used for tobacco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dEvL4Se48c

We are also experimenting with combines on our high CBD autoflowering plants this summer. Acreage and details TBD soon.

[oldchuck]

Thanks, S. That tobacco harvester looks interesting. Treats the leaves quite gently. Some modifications required, I suppose, for hemp. I wonder about a combine though. Seems like it would be difficult to avoid a lot of flower damage.

[cravin morehead]

this thread is so interesting. I am just now looking into cbd for treating joint pains in some people I know and my aging dogs. thanks for putting up all this great info. now I gotta start reading

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