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Calaveras County registers all willing growers, deadline Thurs.

Chunkypigs

passing the gas
Veteran
Commercial cannabis shakeout starts Thursday

Calaveras County registration deadline looms

After 4 p.m. Thursday, there will be two kinds of cannabis cultivators in Calaveras County: Those registered with the county government and those operating outside the law.

That clear line will be the result of an urgency ordinance county supervisors approved in May. The ordinance gives growers until the close of business Thursday to get to the counter in the Calaveras County Planning Department to register and pay hefty fees.

It ends decades in which medical marijuana growers existed in a gray area – tolerated but neither regulated nor fully integrated into the legal economy. Those in the industry also expect it to begin a shakeout in which smaller, weaker, less sophisticated operations will be gradually squeezed out by a combination of regulation and economics. The only question, they say, is whether that takes months or years.

Those growers who don’t register with the county will be unable to get state permits. By 2018, that means they won’t have access to a system under which bar-coded, tested cannabis products will be tracked from field to store by state regulators.

At one second past 4 p.m., those who are not registered will be illegal and subject to enforcement and crop eradication. On Monday morning, a Planning Department staff member said that 250 commercial farms had registered so far. One industry insider estimates that as many as 500 will line up to register before the deadline. Even so, estimates are that roughly as many other farms won’t register by the deadline.

That means those unregistered farms will be at risk to be among the first to vanish in an industry shakeout that is just the latest twist for the industry since medical marijuana was made legal in California in 1996.

Anticipating the last-minute rush, staff members say they may move the counter for receiving registrations from the small Planning Department headquarters to the old courthouse, several yards away at the county government campus on Mountain Ranch Road in San Andreas.

A Planning Department spokeswoman told the Board of Supervisors that the final acceptance process will include collecting as much paperwork as possible – even from those in line – in the last few minutes before 4 p.m. in Thursday.

“Planning closes their door at 4 p.m. and we’ll be there to make sure everything goes smoothly,” said Sheriff Rick DeBasilio at Tuesday’s board of supervisors’ meeting. “But make no mistake, we will keep order.”

After the deadline, registered commercial growers will have the protection of legitimacy that comes from the $5,000 fee each has paid to the Planning Department, and the potential obligation – if a tax measure approved by the Board of Supervisors last week passes in November – to support the county general fund each year with an estimated $6 million in taxes on their crops.

The remaining legitimate farmers can begin the process of building a viable cannabis agriculture industry in Calaveras County. According to Calaveras Cannabis Alliance Executive Director Caslin Tomaszewski, 31, of Mountain Ranch, those who are in business three years from now will be careful business executives who are keenly serious about cutting-edge agriculture and profitable production.

“The mom-and-pop operators will mostly be gone,” he said on Friday.


Fellow CCA director Mark Bolger, 28, also of Mountain Ranch, is a cannabis farmer who meets Tomaszewski’s definition of the future: he knows his industry, knows where his farm’s production and potential profit lies at any moment and is committed to agriculture based on advanced science.

“There will be a number of people who can’t weather the storm of (the Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act of 2015) and regulation,” he said. “I really wish everyone could keep going, but there will be folks who have to shut down.”

The state regulations that formally establish the medical cannabis industry in California go into effect in 2018 and those who are not registered with local jurisdictions cannot take part.

Bolger said challenges face Calaveras County cannabis farmers over the next three years, not the least of which is the pending November vote on a state initiative that could legalize recreational cannabis.

“Here in Calaveras County we have a boutique industry, and our product is most similar to, say, cherries or avocados,” he said. “No matter what happens statewide, I think we’ll be positioned to build our businesses.”

“I think in the next three years we’re going to find that cannabis farming is no different than any other kind of ag,” he said. He said the cost of getting product to market includes approximately 50 percent or more in production costs, 20 percent brokerage fees and other cost such as transportation.

He agreed that careful transportation is critical: “If a transporter is pulled over for a traffic issue on the way to LA, and there’s 50 pounds of cannabis in the vehicle, you can expect that product will be impounded.”

“Generally, it is obvious that there is a good margin to be made, but we don’t have the windfall profits that some suggest,” he said. “There’s a gap being closed. Every year, we’re becoming more and more sophisticated and that requires knowledge and investment.”

A Planning Department spokeswoman said Monday that approximately 250 individual and group commercial applications were filed by the close of business on June 23. That is 50 more than predicted by Tomaszewski during deliberations by the Board of Supervisors in May, and halfway to a final registration number of more than 400 he predicted on Friday.

Commercial cannabis commerce could contribute between 15 and 30 percent of Calaveras County’s tax base within three years, said Tomaszewski.

So far, registration fees have brought the county $1,250,000 and Tomaszewski expects 300 to 500 growers will register by the deadline. The registration fees from 400 growers would mean a $2,000,000 addition to the county.

The Calaveras Cannabis Alliance presented five workshops on filing to register under the urgency ordinance. The last workshop was held June 22 at the San Andreas Town Hall. More than 30 people were on hand to hear Tomaszewski guide them through the process.

The registration funds are restricted to the cost of administering and enforcing the urgency ordinance and cannot be moved into the general fund. The money can be used to manage registrant information and support law enforcement and code compliance.

Additionally, the tax measure on the November ballot would levy commercial outdoor growers – the majority in Calaveras County – at the rate of $2 per square foot of canopy area. Income from the proposed tax would go into the general fund and could be spent at the pleasure of the Board of Supervisors.

Bolger estimated tax income between $5 million and $10 million earlier in the week, when the board passed the ballot measure. Bolger and Tomaszewski tapped their keyboards during a Friday interview and agreed that a base, and conservative, annual figure would be $6 million.

“I would not be surprised if we got 500 growers registered,” he said.

Tomaszewski said he hopes the tax income for the first year, maybe two, would be directed to the Sheriff’s Office for aggressive enforcement. “It is in our best interest to see the bad actors removed.”

“That’s why we support the urgency ordinance,” he said. “We know people are being compromised and we know the problems are real. If people who oppose us see what regulation is going to do for them, they would be for the ordinance.”

“That would be wonderful,” said DiBasilio about the potential tax income. “But the bottom line is that growers have to honest with reporting what they produce.”

He added that registered growers could also be additional eyes and ears in the field, reporting illegal grows the Sheriff’s Office.

http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_4e9f5092-3cbf-11e6-bfe2-7bb54e36c615.html


After devastating fire, county turns to marijuana for comeback
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Calaveras adopts rules that allow commercial cannabis farms in region ravaged by Butte Fire

Worried by pot speculators buying scorched properties, officials set restrictions on new cultivation

Residents expected to vote in November on marijuana tax that could bring in millions in revenue


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MOUNTAIN RANCH
Before the sky rained fire last September, Thomas Liberty figured he knew where he wanted to be for the rest of his life.

A former Air Force psychiatric technician and group home counselor for emotionally disturbed teens, Liberty lived with his wife, Lauren, a hospice care social worker, in a modest wood-frame house with a wrap-around porch and a small marijuana garden.

Liberty, 52, says the house itself wasn’t much to celebrate: three bedrooms, two baths and an outdated interior that looked like the backdrop to “bad 1970s porn.” But its Calaveras County setting was breathtaking, with his home looking out on an emerald-hued expanse of ponderosa pines and oaks.

Liberty, a local medical cannabis activist, had just expanded his personal cultivation from a handful of plants to 99 in hopes of supplementing his retirement income by selling marijuana to dispensaries in Calaveras and Santa Rosa. He never got the chance to harvest the crop.

The Butte fire, the seventh-worst in California history, devoured his house and garden. It turned Liberty’s property – “our little heaven on Earth” – into a charred wasteland of blackened trees stripped of foliage.

“It just hurts to see it,” he said, recently walking the ground where his house had stood.

Yet the devastating blaze that scorched 71,000 acres and destroyed 860 houses and other buildings helped give birth to something else: some of California’s most tolerant local rules for permitting cultivation of medical marijuana for commercial sale.

On May 10, the Calaveras County Board of Supervisors approved an urgency ordinance that allows commercial marijuana gardens of up to one-quarter acre on properties of at least 2 acres and permits pot farms of one-half acre on properties of 4 acres or more.

The county, which had no previous regulations for marijuana growing, is expected to make the urgency ordinance permanent with additional details likely to be filled in and approved by supervisors in the coming year.

Among counties known for outdoor growing, the acreage allowed in Calaveras appears exceeded only by that in the legendary pot haven of Humboldt County. There, supervisors allowed new commercial marijuana farms of up to 10,000-square feet and voted to let existing outdoor growers cultivate up to a full acre – or 43,560 square feet.

The 4-1 vote in favor of the new Calaveras ordinance came after cannabis advocates presented board members with seemingly contradictory arguments about how the county should react to pot cultivation in the aftermath of the fire.

On one hand, they argued, a sanctioned local marijuana industry could provide an economic driver for Calaveras’ comeback. On the other, they warned, speculators with no local ties were snatching up fire-scorched properties on the cheap for pot farms and the county needed to stop it.

So supervisors set out to do both by creating a program to register established local medical marijuana growers and stop the land rush by outsiders.

Property owners who had existing marijuana gardens before May 10 have until June 30 to sign up for the county program, under which they will pay annual program fees of $5,000 each. Liberty, who lives in temporary housing in the county, says several applicants have been fire victims. Some grew marijuana beforehand. Others put plants in the ground afterward for extra income.

“It’s a very weird part of the recovery,” said Liberty, who applied for two cultivation permits, one for his existing property and a second for another site. “We had a lot of people lose their homes and possessions, and they either had insufficient insurance or no insurance at all. And many people saw this as a way of coming back.”

Money from an anticipated 200 registered commercial marijuana farms is expected to fund $1 million in oversight costs for a cannabis-inspection program to ensure compliance with planting restrictions, proper water use and respect for the environment. Staff to be hired will include two sheriff’s deputies and a sergeant, a compliance attorney, code enforcement officers, an agricultural biologist and an environmental health technician.

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In addition, Calaveras County voters are expected to vote on a marijuana tax in November that would impose a $2-per-square-foot annual levy on outdoor commercial gardens – the vast majority of the county’s cultivation – and a $5-per-square-foot fee on indoor grows.

The measure could bring in $4 million in new tax revenue to the county of 45,000 residents if the new rules resulted in 200 commercial pot farms averaging 10,000 square feet – or just under a quarter-acre – of plants. For now, the growing permits apply only to medical marijuana and not to recreational use, which could be approved by California voters in November.

The Calaveras regulations were made possible by state medical marijuana legislation signed signed by Gov. Jerry Brown last year. The state rules provided a framework allowing cities and counties to set local taxes and permitting standards for marijuana cultivation or pot business or choose to ban such operations.

Calaveras Supervisor Chris Wright, whose district included much of the Butte Fire damage area as well as numerous marijuana farms, said the state rules “signaled the evolution of a very slow march to legalization” as well as potential benefits for an economically challenged county.

The Butte Fire had followed generations of economic decline in the once bustling gold mining county. The county’s legendary Sheep Ranch mine closed in 1942. Sawmills shuttered throughout the 1970s. A major employer, the Calaveras Cement Co. closed in 1983. That left ranching and Gold Country tourism as the prime local industries – other than unregulated pot gardens.

“It created an opportunity for this new industry to come out of the shadows, and that creates opportunities for rural counties,” Wright said of California’s new medical marijuana regulations. “We don’t have a lot of industry. We don’t have a lot of economic growth. In my view, this can be a sustainable economy.”

The county’s endorsement of marijuana commerce came over the objections of the district attorney and the sheriff. They had called for an outright ban on marijuana cultivation, saying they feared the county was already overrun with pot farms, including criminal networks operating on remote wooded properties. They said things were getting worse after the fire.

In October, two brothers, Leon Grammer, 38, and Jeremiah Barrett, 30, were arrested on charges of shooting and killing three men who were apparently trying to steal marijuana from a local pot farm.

Last month, narcotics officers raided a vast garden planted by growers who had trespassed onto private land, illegally siphoning water from a pond and planting 10,000 marijuana seedlings. On June 1, deputies cut down 3,500 plants on another illegal trespass grow. No suspects were arrested in either case.

“We go out and start searching the area by air (for hidden marijuana farms) and, when we fly over, they leave. They know the jig is up,” said Calaveras Sheriff Rick Dibasilio. “By the time we get to the property, they’re gone.”

Arguing against commercial growing, Dibasilio warned supervisors about negative environmental impacts and his fears of residents encountering armed growers protecting pot farms.

But cannabis farmer Caz Tomaszewski, a 31-year-old former collegiate rower at the University of Puget Sound, argued that a cultivation ban would do nothing to drive out unwanted criminal growers.

Tomaszewski is the executive director of the Calaveras Cannabis Alliance, a group he says advocates for the “social and economic benefits” of a locally regulated marijuana trade. He said the new commercial cultivation rules will provide a valuable tool for law enforcement “because they’re going to have a very clear idea who is in the (regulated) system and who isn’t.”

“And the amount of tax income that could be generated from this is pretty substantial,” he added.

While Calaveras adopted pot-friendly regulations, approaches to governing marijuana cultivation vary widely across California.

Near Sacramento, supervisors in Nevada County recently banned all outdoor and commercial marijuana cultivation, only to have local voters overwhelmingly reject a June ballot measure that supported the ban. Community meetings are underway to draft new rules.

The city of Sacramento is readying a plan to permit limited indoor commercial cultivation, while revenue-starved communities in the Southern California desert are racing to approve millions of square feet of marijuana warehouses. But a vast majority of California cities and counties are resisting such operations, including counties of Sacramento, Placer and Yuba – which have banned outdoor or commercial marijuana operations.

But now in Calaveras, the once-resistant sheriff is dispatching deputies with county officials to informally visit marijuana farms to let growers know about the permitting deadline, new rules and future compliance inspections.

“They are just ‘knock and talks’ to let people know we’re going to be out there checking,” Dibasilio said. “We’re trying to work with these folks.”

Once the program is in effect, sheriff’s officers and officials from multiple county agencies will conduct inspections to ensure gardens comply with square footage limits, have legally obtained water sources and aren’t fouling the environment with sediments, fertilizers, pesticides or other contaminants. The county can impose $1,000-a-day administrative fines until corrections are made.

Among those eager to work with the program is Mark Bolger, 28, who grew up in an agricultural community near Stockton and went on to become a medical marijuana grower in Calaveras.

Well before supervisors took up the issue, Bolger had invited state water board officers and county land use and environmental officials to visit his terraced, one-half acre marijuana garden.

It sits on a sprawling property with a processing room and electric-powered trimming machines that harvest hundreds of pounds of marijuana each fall. Wearing leather boots, jeans, a plaid shirt and a ranch cap over short-trimmed hair, Bolger walks his cannabis garden with the authority of a professional farmer.

Bolger says he files state and federal tax withholding statements for his three workers (though the employee forms don’t state the nature of the business.) He says he is excited to start paying taxes and fees to Calaveras County – in his case, more than $45,000 annually, including cultivation taxes and program costs.

“Taxes equal job security with this industry,” Bolger said. “This is helping support our community.”

With his long, scraggly gray hair, Liberty looks more the part of the old-fashioned hippie pot grower, even though he worked decades in a traditional career. Influenced by his wife’s work with hospice patients, he later became involved with a local collective that raised marijuana for terminally and seriously ill residents.

Now a commercial grower, Liberty sees marijuana as perhaps his only hope for rebuilding after the ravaging Butte Fire.

The family’s insurance policy didn’t cover the replacement costs for Liberty’s home. He also couldn’t emotionally fathom returning there to live, he said. He and Lauren plan to sell the property, the place where they thought they would live out their retirement.

They invested the insurance settlement on an undeveloped property that wasn’t scorched by fire, choosing a larger hilltop setting – this one expansive enough to allow the maximum half-acre marijuana garden under county rules.

There, they hope to generate enough income from a newly planted marijuana farm – plus the current plants on their original property – to be able to build a house at the second site.

“The role that cannabis is playing in the recovery can’t be understated,” he said.

Peter Hecht: 916-326-5539, @phecht_sacbee

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/california-weed/article85908447.html#storylink=cpy
 

stoned-trout

if it smells like fish
Veteran
and if you register ,,when they change the game expect a visit anyhow...yeehaw....mom n pop aint going anywhere ...except underground again...20 percent to a broker is CRIMINAL..i don't bust my ass to hand away 20 percent to some chump ha ha suckers pay up
 

oneofus

Member
..what trout said...

and...no one who did not already have an op going prior to May 10 - and it has to be verifiable according to the regs....cannot apply for a permit. So not only can no one from outside the county move there to be - "legitimate" - "cough~BullShit~cough" ...even worse, no one already living and growing there who can't "prove" their op was going before May 10 can get a permit either.

On top of that, none of this comes anywhere near any kind of guarantee that just because you get a county permit that the State will grant any of the newly county licensed growers a State permit. Just look at how that is going in Oregon for instance. Over 1000 people have applied and less than 100 have been approved so far. Less than 10%. If you can't get a State permit to go with the county one you are done. Game over for you.

And as trout said, those who have registered and got their county permit for a bribe of 5K are now on a very convenient list for both State and local leo and other agencies to go right at them - they know where you are because you registered.

And as if that were not enough...listen to how those two guys in Chunky's post - the guys from that so-called "growers organization" are everything but crowing about how this will kill the little guy "mom 'n pop" ops.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]According to Calaveras Cannabis Alliance Executive Director Caslin Tomaszewski, 31, of Mountain Ranch,....“The mom-and-pop operators will mostly be gone,” he said on Friday.

Fellow CCA director Mark Bolger, 28, also of Mountain Ranch....
“There will be a number of people who can’t weather the storm of (the Medical Marijuana Regulation and Safety Act of 2015) and regulation,” he said. “I really wish everyone could keep going, but there will be folks who have to shut down.”
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They try to sound so badly for them but the reality is that those folks will no longer be competition for them because of this and they know it but won't admit it... They love it. Business as usual.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bolger said ....“No matter what happens statewide, I think we’ll be positioned to build our businesses.”.....He said the cost of getting product to market includes approximately 50 percent or more in production costs, What kind of a bullshit figure is that? 20 percent brokerage fees... MORE bullshit - maybe 3-5% at most ...and other cost such as transportation. They're just trying to make it look as if they're not getting the kind of margins everyone in the game knows they're going to get - more fodder for the sheeple. [/FONT]

And did I understand those guys correctly when they made noises about encouraging the "good" growers - the ones with the licenses - to turn in/report/rat out "the bad actors" - the ones that either chose not to get permits on principles or could not register for lack of funds - either for the permit fee and/or for the "proof" required by the regs -and get their permits? And no, I'm not talking about the cartel grows in the national forests or the trespass grows...that guy is talking about the people without licenses that are legit responsible growers that are good stewards of the land that oppose his little scheme.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tomaszewski said he hopes the tax income for the first year, maybe two, would be directed to the Sheriff’s Office for aggressive enforcement. “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It is in our best interest to see the bad actors removed.”
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sheriff DiBasilio....[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]added that registered growers could also be additional eyes and ears in the field, reporting illegal grows to the Sheriff’s Office.[/FONT]

Since when did growers start ratting out fellow growers?

WTF IS THAT?
 

m4n

Active member
No plant limit? Or 10000 square feet? Seems like everyone on IG is blowing up greenhouses
 
Yea its really horrible here oneofus. Every point you make is so spot on...
no plant limit, 22000 square foot canopy limit per parcel, people were able to register multiple parcels if they were able to meet the oppressive burden of "proving" they were setup before may 10th
 

Lochinvar

Member
The main reason our county did this, was to stop the influx here. The state, not the county, screwed the mom and pops and little growers. No county can get around MMRSA, they can be more restictive though. MMRSA screwed the little guys. At least we don't have a ban like most other places. The only county hoping around here anymore, will be folks leaving Calaveras. The old days of moving to the hills and growing dope wherever you want is coming to an end. It sucks, but I'm sure other counties will follow suite. CCA has fought hard for years against potential all- out outdoor bans. Things could be worse. There is no beautiful, free-for-all anymore. I've been here 15 years and have seen growers slowly move in. The past 3 years, a different type have been showing up and fucking shit up. Buying houses right next to the road and growing big gardens in plain sight with obvious criminal backing. It was only a matter of time before the county put the brakes on. The fun is over.
 
The work and money involved in a 22,000 sq2ft grow is daunting. 99 in 8000 ft sq2 is enough to wear out 2 people, times that by 3, then harvest and trimming crews and drying space. That sure ain't mom n pop. 22,000 ft of greenhouse dep, well shit.
 

oneofus

Member
The Closing of the Old West....

The Closing of the Old West....

@[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lochinvar,


Thank you for your calm and well-reasoned explanation. I know I went off a bit and if I offended anyone I apologize. I guess I can be a little bit of a hothead at times and I did get a bit heated about the unfairness of this whole thing. I suppose I could have put the way I said things differently.

I know everyone else feels as frustrated with this whole thing as I am, and maybe some even more so. We're all in the same boat so it's a big one, but, having said that, all of us being in that big boat together doesn't help any of us in that boat at all. I guess what they say about misery loving company is true. At least in this case. And it's a damn big boat but that still helps none of us.

I don't know if you are one of the lucky ones who got a permit or not and I am not asking. Not my business. However, I hope you did because that would mean that at least one good guy got a golden ticket and doesn't have to shut down. Not that all the others are bad. Far from it. I just don't know all of them I guess is my point and from your words and tone and manner here on ic I have the strong feeling that you are a good guy.

Your voice is well-reasoned as are your thoughts. I respect that and I respect you for being that way. I'm just terribly frustrated is all. It's the closing of the Old West all over again. The whole thing makes me feel like Charlie Postelwaite in the movie "Open Range" with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall. If you like Western movies at all and haven't seen that one, you should do yourself a favor and watch it when you get a chance. It's one of the best movies I've ever seen, much less one of the best Westerns ever made. It's also about the Closing of the Old West and the unfairness of it all and I feel that almost all of us can relate to the characters in it. Especially Charlie.

Now I don't live in Calaveras county and I didn't have any plans to move there so I have no dog in this fight per se, except for the issue of the unfairness of the whole thing and you make some good points about why it happened this way.

I agree that the real fault lies with the MMRSA and those damn squirrel-headed bastards in Sacramento that passed that crap. They could have done a lot better with it than that. That is, if they had to do anything with it at all. I will not opine further on that point, however, except to say that if I have a quibble with any of your points it's that MMRSA has not only fucked the little guy and mom 'n pop...it's going to fuck everybody that doesn't have seriously deep pockets because as many have said, those "golden tickets" called State permits are going to be few and far between and are only going to go to those who are the best-funded. It's just like in Oregon. I remember reading on the OLCC's (Oregon Liquor Control Commission) website for licensing folks to be commercial recreational growers their press release when the first few people had their license applications approved. One of the staff of the Committee said the reason those people were chosen and given their licenses was that, and I quote directly from that statement here: "They had really good applications". I can only interpret that as they were so well-funded that they could comply with not only every last regulation and cross every last T and dot every last I, but also had way more than enough money to not have their business fail no matter what happened. I say this because the job of bureaucrats/regulators in general, and these ones in particular, is to make sure that people follow the regs (obviously), but going a little further, it is in their own personal best interests to be sure those they pick have as little of a chance to fail as is possible for those same regulators to keep their own jobs. The way I see it is that if these new businesses fail, it's not going to make them look very good at their jobs and if enough fail they may lose their jobs over it. I say this because my wife's brother spent his whole working life as a regulator in the City of San Jose and he told me those very words when I questioned him about some of the decisions he made with regards to why he chose some people over others in regards to who the city would hire as contractors for public works jobs like who got the contract for doing the cement work when putting in a new section of curbing or sidewalk. I asked him why did he choose the really big guys instead of the little guy and give him a chance. He told me he would not be looked upon with great favor if the cement work failed. He said he might lose his job over it. Maybe not the best analogy, but I think you see where I am going with this in regards to our industry.

Calavaras county has good land to live on and I am sure that most of you guys are good people and I have no quibbles with those who got their permits or any other growers there. I am just tired and frustrated over the unfairness of they way that all of this, and I am meaning both state-wide in general as well as Calavaras in particular, is being done. And you are right about your county allowing
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]at least [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]some people to get into the market.

I'm really just trying to say that the whole damn thing that's happening in this state is so unfair that it makes me mad as hell. I'm sure almost everyone feels that way. All I can say is that I wish all those who got their permits the best of luck for the next two seasons because after that it's then going to be up to the State to decide who gets to keep growing and who has to shut down. I do not anticipate that many will be allowed to continue although I hope they do. That said, it would probably be in the best interests of everyone who did get a permit to "make hay while the sun shines" ( to use an Old West saying)...and grow your asses off and make as much money as you can while you can.

Anyway, I am sorry if my post upset folks. I didn't mean for it to do that. I apologize to those that I upset. That was not my intent.

And to you Lochinvar, I give much respect for taking the time for the explanation and especially your voice of reason approach. You are a good guy and if we ever were to meet I would be proud to call you friend.

I guess that is all this old cowboy has to say....

Respect to all......peace.......I'm out....

oneofus
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calaverasfarmer

New member
I don't know how you guys can be upset with MMRSA or Calaveras County unless you're just lazy. The requirements in the urgency ordinance were made available to the (competent) public weeks, even months before it was passed. The deadline they set was set on the day it passed. Anyone with a little experience dealing with the government can attest to the fact that they intentionally make things difficult for people. In my opinion, to weed out those who can not get their shit together enough or in time to meet deadlines in requirements. Fine by me. Those who were attentive to the political process were rewarded - they (we) knew where to place gardens, what to plan for, etc.

The one thing I am upset with was the limit of one registration per parcel. It ruined one of my business models when i had to return over $300,000 in prepaid rent collected. That being said, the requirements in the ordinance were easy to meet, if you were in fact in existence before the deadline.

And for the record, we were going to have another wonderful year of no registrations, no fees, no moving gardens to meet property line setback requirements, etc, but the word that we had not yet passed a ban as over 95% of counties in CA did caused a CRAZY influx of people from bay area and stockton that flat out scared the shit out of the good ole mountain people who reside here. They put a ban back on the table, and decided to go with the current program instead and we should be grateful for that.

Plus, no plant limit? I mean I had started girls in february in preparation of a giant year, so ended up going for about 200 plants per 22,000 sqft facility (we were able to register 5 facilities total). But really next year its going to be more like 2000 plants per facility in 45 gallon pots. And depo, all depo...

Oh this is my first post. Hi everybody - i'm new here. I'm a co-founder of Calaveras Cannabis (@calaverascannabis). We were able to register 5 garden sites in Calaveras this year.
 

MountZionCollec

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I don't know how you guys can be upset with MMRSA or Calaveras County unless you're just lazy. The requirements in the urgency ordinance were made available to the (competent) public weeks, even months before it was passed. The deadline they set was set on the day it passed. Anyone with a little experience dealing with the government can attest to the fact that they intentionally make things difficult for people. In my opinion, to weed out those who can not get their shit together enough or in time to meet deadlines in requirements. Fine by me. Those who were attentive to the political process were rewarded - they (we) knew where to place gardens, what to plan for, etc.

The one thing I am upset with was the limit of one registration per parcel. It ruined one of my business models when i had to return over $300,000 in prepaid rent collected. That being said, the requirements in the ordinance were easy to meet, if you were in fact in existence before the deadline.

And for the record, we were going to have another wonderful year of no registrations, no fees, no moving gardens to meet property line setback requirements, etc, but the word that we had not yet passed a ban as over 95% of counties in CA did caused a CRAZY influx of people from bay area and stockton that flat out scared the shit out of the good ole mountain people who reside here. They put a ban back on the table, and decided to go with the current program instead and we should be grateful for that.

Plus, no plant limit? I mean I had started girls in february in preparation of a giant year, so ended up going for about 200 plants per 22,000 sqft facility (we were able to register 5 facilities total). But really next year its going to be more like 2000 plants per facility in 45 gallon pots. And depo, all depo...

Oh this is my first post. Hi everybody - i'm new here. I'm a co-founder of Calaveras Cannabis (@calaverascannabis). We were able to register 5 garden sites in Calaveras this year.

How do u plan on registering 5 properties when the state law MMRSA doesn't allow someone to own that many operations of any kind? Wasn't the max 3 or 4? That's what the lawyers for cannalawblog wrote in there analysis of MMRSA. Another guy in calaveras has 74 properties registered. In humboldt they just approved a single operation that is 7 acres in size. Again when it comes time to apply for a state permit I don't see how it passes MMRSA rules.
 

calaverasfarmer

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MMRSA will allow 5 sites - we would just be precluded from holding licenses in other categories. We're more likely to scale back to 3 cultivation facilities and get into other columns of the industry though.

CCA is a lobbying group, union even maybe for lack of a better term. I worked very closely with Caz and his board in coming up with strategy (both internal and out). Calaveras Cannabis is the name of our farming entity. You havn't heard of it because it's new. Thank you for your input.

One thing i've learned watching my colleagues in CO is that the definition of 'compliance' is always changing. You can plan ahead a little, but the name of the game in my opinion is rush to the current version of compliance and make the most of it until it changes again. In this case, we're making the most of our 5 mixed light facilities until we have to start jumping through hoops for MMRSA again, at which point I imagine our scope, focus, and overall strategy will need another major overhaul (like the one we just had).

Anyways, thank you for the not so warm welcome here gentlemen.
 
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