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Cannacamper · 06-20-2016, 04:07 PM

It wouldn't and doesn't matter to me. If it was completely legal, I would and do still grow my own. The most they would get from me and even this would be highly unlikely is money for seeds.
Commercial grown products will suffer greatly in potentcy and quality under government control. At least I know what's in my product

aridbud · 06-20-2016, 05:27 PM

Commercial grown products will suffer greatly in potentcy and quality under government control
Can only speak for Colorado....right you are....they crank out as fast as they can....quality is OK, nothing to write home about. Prefer to GYO.

Betterhaff · 06-20-2016, 05:30 PM

“Officers of the Federal Government have set a high priority on fuller understanding of the marihuana issue and appropriate governmental action. President Nixon has frequently expressed his personal and official commitment to providing a rational and equitable public response to the use and misuse of drugs. Similarly, Congress has shown its concern in passing the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970. In appointing this Commission, both the President and Congress have recognized the need for an independent, nonpartisan appraisal of the nature of marihuana and the consequences of its use, for a similar appraisal of the abuse of all drugs, and for appropriate recommendations for public policy as a result of both studies.”

“A Final Comment
In this Chapter, we have carefully considered the spectrum of social and legal policy alternatives. On the basis of our findings, discussed in previous Chapters, we have concluded that society should seek to discourage use, while concentrating its attention on the prevention and treatment of heavy and very heavy use. The Commission feels that the criminalization of possession of marihuana for personal is socially self-defeating as a means of achieving this objective. We have attempted to balance individual freedom on one hand and the obligation of the state to consider the wider social good on the other. We believe our recommended scheme will permit society to exercise its control and influence in ways most useful and efficient, meanwhile reserving to the individual American his sense of privacy, his sense of individuality, and, within the context of ail interacting and interdependent society, his options to select his own life style, values, goals and opportunities.”

The Commission sincerely hopes that the tone of cautious restraint sounded in this Report will be perpetuated in the debate which will follow it. For those who feel we have not proceeded far enough, we are reminded of Thomas Jefferson's advice to George Washington that "Delay is preferable to error." For those who argue we have gone too far, we note Roscoe Pound's statement, "The law must be stable, but it must not stand still."

We have carefully analyzed the interrelationship between marihuana the drug, marihuana use as a behavior, and marihuana as a social problem. Recognizing the extensive degree of misinformation about marihuana as a drug, we have tried to demythologize it. Viewing the use of marihuana in its wider social context, we have tried to desymbolize it.

Considering the range of social concerns in contemporary America, marihuana does not, in our considered judgment, rank very high. We would deemphasize marihuana as a problem.

The existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug. To replace it, we have attempted to design a suitable social policy, which we believe is fair, cautious and attuned to the social realities of our time."

From the intro and final chapter of the "Shafer Commission" report commissioned by President Nixon. Nixon ignored the findings.

https://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../nc/ncmenu.htm

TheMan13 · 06-20-2016, 07:24 PM

Nearly 5 decades of marijuana prohibition has fundamentally changed and corrupted our justice system for generations now. That will be the truly tough conversation once integrity is finally returned to the rule of law (CSA), if ever. Hundreds of thousands of judges, prosecutors, police officers and prison guards jobs literally depend upon this criminalization scheme and will necessarily be pink slipped upon it's end. That group of individuals have accumulated political influence, even before the powerful public sector labor unions they have established, like no democracy has ever seen nor imagined.

aridbud · 06-21-2016, 02:38 AM

Hundreds of thousands of judges, prosecutors, police officers and prison guards jobs literally depend upon this criminalization scheme and will necessarily be pink slipped upon it's end.
There's enough work for them to do, reshuffling them to other tasks. It's not like they turn off the light and lock the door....other crimes will occupy them.

pop_rocks · 06-21-2016, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by aridbud

Hundreds of thousands of judges, prosecutors, police officers and prison guards jobs literally depend upon this criminalization scheme and will necessarily be pink slipped upon it's end.
There's enough work for them to do, reshuffling them to other tasks. It's not like they turn off the light and lock the door....other crimes will occupy them.

naw, everything else going fine over here, man
no other crimes to report

but if some guy is growin pot for him and his ol' lady, gear up boys!
gotta keep the streets safe now, you know

Gry · 06-21-2016, 03:38 AM

Once integrity is finally returned to the rule of law.... would that be resurrection or revolution ?

armedoldhippy · 06-21-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sforza

The DEA is leading from behind.

when your career depends on your lagging behind public opinion & scientific reality, where else is there to hide but in the past?

TheMan13 · 06-21-2016, 06:57 PM

Is there another felony in this country that simply the claim of scent justifies probable cause under our "rule of law"? In 2010 52% of all drug arrests were for marijuana. That accounts for a marijuana arrest every 37 seconds in this country. Even with all the medicinal marijuana laws put on the state books across the country since 1996 this multi billion dollar taxpayer funded industry has prospered in spite.

TheMan13 · 06-21-2016, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aridbud

Hundreds of thousands of judges, prosecutors, police officers and prison guards jobs literally depend upon this criminalization scheme and will necessarily be pink slipped upon it's end.
There's enough work for them to do, reshuffling them to other tasks. It's not like they turn off the light and lock the door....other crimes will occupy them.

Actually "crime rates" would necessarily free fall nationwide at historic levels, in turn leaving our current breadth of courtroom dockets and prisons empty. You simply could not justify the expenditures these people have conned us into as a necessity for our safety (public interest) any longer.

There is no labor reshuffle option I can even imagine for hundreds of thousands lawyers and cops in my worse nightmares. Look into the publicly traded prison industry stocks/companies corporate guidance statements. It would be a crime for them to lie about the impact of marijuana legalization upon their business model, so they're pretty clear about the game ending ...

When corporations purchase government control (capital cronyism), it's called regulatory capture. I'm not sure there is even a term yet for what our justice system has achieved over this past half century ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

06-20-2016, 04:07 PM	#41
Cannacamper Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 56	It wouldn't and doesn't matter to me. If it was completely legal, I would and do still grow my own. The most they would get from me and even this would be highly unlikely is money for seeds. Commercial grown products will suffer greatly in potentcy and quality under government control. At least I know what's in my product
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06-20-2016, 05:27 PM	#42
aridbud automeister Join Date: May 2013 Location: the best place on earth Posts: 5,589	Commercial grown products will suffer greatly in potentcy and quality under government control Can only speak for Colorado....right you are....they crank out as fast as they can....quality is OK, nothing to write home about. Prefer to GYO. __________________ Seeds have the power to preserve species, to enhance cultural as well as genetic diversity, to counter economic monopoly and to check the advance of conformity on all its many fronts. Michael Pollan Happiness held is the seed; Happiness shared is the flower. John Harrigan Instant gratification takes too long. Carrie Fisher - RIP. *afterthought autos* We are passionate breeders of unique quality cannabis autoflower hybrid seeds at down to earth prices; now 11 years running! https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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06-20-2016, 05:30 PM	#43
Betterhaff Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,568	“Officers of the Federal Government have set a high priority on fuller understanding of the marihuana issue and appropriate governmental action. President Nixon has frequently expressed his personal and official commitment to providing a rational and equitable public response to the use and misuse of drugs. Similarly, Congress has shown its concern in passing the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970. In appointing this Commission, both the President and Congress have recognized the need for an independent, nonpartisan appraisal of the nature of marihuana and the consequences of its use, for a similar appraisal of the abuse of all drugs, and for appropriate recommendations for public policy as a result of both studies.” “A Final Comment In this Chapter, we have carefully considered the spectrum of social and legal policy alternatives. On the basis of our findings, discussed in previous Chapters, we have concluded that society should seek to discourage use, while concentrating its attention on the prevention and treatment of heavy and very heavy use. The Commission feels that the criminalization of possession of marihuana for personal is socially self-defeating as a means of achieving this objective. We have attempted to balance individual freedom on one hand and the obligation of the state to consider the wider social good on the other. We believe our recommended scheme will permit society to exercise its control and influence in ways most useful and efficient, meanwhile reserving to the individual American his sense of privacy, his sense of individuality, and, within the context of ail interacting and interdependent society, his options to select his own life style, values, goals and opportunities.” The Commission sincerely hopes that the tone of cautious restraint sounded in this Report will be perpetuated in the debate which will follow it. For those who feel we have not proceeded far enough, we are reminded of Thomas Jefferson's advice to George Washington that "Delay is preferable to error." For those who argue we have gone too far, we note Roscoe Pound's statement, "The law must be stable, but it must not stand still." We have carefully analyzed the interrelationship between marihuana the drug, marihuana use as a behavior, and marihuana as a social problem. Recognizing the extensive degree of misinformation about marihuana as a drug, we have tried to demythologize it. Viewing the use of marihuana in its wider social context, we have tried to desymbolize it. Considering the range of social concerns in contemporary America, marihuana does not, in our considered judgment, rank very high. We would deemphasize marihuana as a problem. The existing social and legal policy is out of proportion to the individual and social harm engendered by the use of the drug. To replace it, we have attempted to design a suitable social policy, which we believe is fair, cautious and attuned to the social realities of our time." From the intro and final chapter of the "Shafer Commission" report commissioned by President Nixon. Nixon ignored the findings. https://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/.../nc/ncmenu.htm
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06-20-2016, 07:24 PM	#44
TheMan13 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 650	Nearly 5 decades of marijuana prohibition has fundamentally changed and corrupted our justice system for generations now. That will be the truly tough conversation once integrity is finally returned to the rule of law (CSA), if ever. Hundreds of thousands of judges, prosecutors, police officers and prison guards jobs literally depend upon this criminalization scheme and will necessarily be pink slipped upon it's end. That group of individuals have accumulated political influence, even before the powerful public sector labor unions they have established, like no democracy has ever seen nor imagined.
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06-21-2016, 02:38 AM	#45
aridbud automeister Join Date: May 2013 Location: the best place on earth Posts: 5,589	Hundreds of thousands of judges, prosecutors, police officers and prison guards jobs literally depend upon this criminalization scheme and will necessarily be pink slipped upon it's end. There's enough work for them to do, reshuffling them to other tasks. It's not like they turn off the light and lock the door....other crimes will occupy them. __________________ Seeds have the power to preserve species, to enhance cultural as well as genetic diversity, to counter economic monopoly and to check the advance of conformity on all its many fronts. Michael Pollan Happiness held is the seed; Happiness shared is the flower. John Harrigan Instant gratification takes too long. Carrie Fisher - RIP. *afterthought autos* We are passionate breeders of unique quality cannabis autoflower hybrid seeds at down to earth prices; now 11 years running! https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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06-21-2016, 03:38 AM	#47
Gry More hash tea... Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: land of hummingbirds and turtles Posts: 1,818	Once integrity is finally returned to the rule of law.... would that be resurrection or revolution ? __________________ That which matters most
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06-21-2016, 06:57 PM	#49
TheMan13 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 650	Is there another felony in this country that simply the claim of scent justifies probable cause under our "rule of law"? In 2010 52% of all drug arrests were for marijuana. That accounts for a marijuana arrest every 37 seconds in this country. Even with all the medicinal marijuana laws put on the state books across the country since 1996 this multi billion dollar taxpayer funded industry has prospered in spite. Last edited by TheMan13; 06-21-2016 at 07:15 PM..
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