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Old 06-19-2016, 08:36 PM #11
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This could put a lot of people out of biz or force underground their ventures. When the Feds wanted states to raise the drinking age to 21 they threatened to pull federal funding for highways. Depending on who the next President is they could attempt many tactics to undermine states privileges determine their own mj laws, rec or med.
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Old 06-19-2016, 09:05 PM #12
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Thought about this a bit more and when or if the fed govt makes a switch, what's stopping only big Kharkiv companies from taking over? Seems Uncle Sam favors big companies that move money offshore and not the small mom and pop operations. Will they allow state laws or use the trump card.
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The pharma companies will definitely step in now. Thank goodness we voted for Bernie. As president, I trust he will work to even the playing field. Oh wait.... Fuck.
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I'm not sure that people quite understand how BAD this idea is....

In terms of furthering research and opening the availability up to patients in states where the laws are still illegal, it's good. To all those in medical/legal states, this could spell some super bad news...

The issue with Schedule II is that just like opioids, amphetamines, etc. Cannabis will now be REQUIRED by law to be produced by companies holding FDA and DEA approval to cultivate and distribute the drug. It is HIGHLY illegal to produce Schedule II drugs if you don't have the proper licenses to obtain the precursors (in cannabis' case - seeds) and proper oversight to produce/cultivate the drug. Meaning it's a great possibility that only large pharmaceutical companies with tons of money and proper licenses will be the only ones allowed to produce the medicine.

In terms of distribution, a doctor would need to use their DEA number to prescribe it, which could place doctors in a tricky situation, because just like opioids or amphetamines, their records will be periodically checked and they could lose their license due to prescribing practices which is currently a big deal especially with opioids. Many doctors throughout the country won't even prescribe opioids to those who they know need them, due to the prospect of losing their license. This could become a major issue in trying to obtain a prescription to get your medicine.

Not only will doctors be put into a tricky situation, pharmacists will also be in the same position. The cannabis will have to be distributed through licensed pharmacists, and they reserve the right to NOT give you your medicines based on personal decisions of whether or not they might lose their license as well. I've had this issue with opioid prescriptions in the past when regulations got stronger and many doctors in my area were under attack from the DEA. Many places wouldn't fill my prescription even though the doctor was still prescribing it and wasn't under investigation.

All of this allows a lot of chances for everyone to get in a lot more legal trouble, whether it be the person producing the drug, the doctor prescribing the drug, or the pharmacist distributing the drug.

To many this sounds like a good idea, but to me, it sounds like an easy way to restrict access to the medicine while publicly reaping the benefits of the media campaign that would promote it as a step forward, while actually moving backwards.

Cannabis needs to be DE-Scheduled much like alcohol, which would allow everyone to use it for the reasons they see fit, whether it is for medical use or recreational, and would remove most of the ability to be penalized for using it in whichever form it is used/prescribed.

Until we start recognizing that the argument that it needs to be "Regulated and Taxed" is a HORRIBLE argument, we are gonna keep finding ourselves in trickier and trickier positions. Regulations mean interference from government control. Taxes means tracking production and sales. Cannabis needs to be free from any of these restrictions and TRULY legalized. Until you can grow as many plants as you want, be free from taxation (unless on the public sale, not private distribution), and free from prosecution for violating regulations, it is not Legal, and needs to be reframed as decriminalized.

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Big government and Big business want to be your new pot dealers...

Oh, and if you dare to grow your own for yourself, or to try to make a few bucks, they're still gonna fuck you over.

maybe even worse than when it was illegal!
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Big government and Big business want to be your new pot dealers...

Oh, and if you dare to grow your own for yourself, or to try to make a few bucks, they're still gonna fuck you over.

maybe even worse than when it was illegal!
yeah this is starting to look nothing like the legalization we used to dream about

crazy taxes and no home grows, but they want us to believe that we are better off under this new scheme?!?
money grabs, thats all this is!

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The DEA does not have the authority under the Controlled Substance Act to change anything. The DEA was sued into requesting a study be done by the FDA and that is now coming to fruition. The law (CSA) on the other hand is solely the purview of the US Attorney General and the study conducted must be by the Department of Health and Human Services. Specifically, that study needs to be requested by the USAG and I don't see that occurring any time soon. It's all just theater until then ...

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I wonder if they'll ever drop it below Schedule 2 ?
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good thread to sub to, i guess not totally impossible
i'm sure there is some legal weasel path to do this, if it's wanted to be done
sounds more like a lawyer playing a card to muddy up some legal proceedings?
until then, watch and learn
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I wonder if they'll ever drop it below Schedule 2 ?
I believe it should be removed completely and treated/regulated as alcohol and tobacco. Marijuana does not need to be a controlled substance to be studied or used medically.
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