[PuffinPhatties]

Sup everyone

I found some kellogs outdoor potting soil with organic nutriants(it says):kelp meal, batguano,worm castings, and chicken shit...also says guranteed no pests or weeds.

Does this stuff sound good to start some clones in? I was thinking adding 30-50% perlite to the mix to aereate the soil.

P.S If I got this up and running what kinda nutes should I be using??

Thanks guys I cant wait to try organics, i gave up dwc cuz of the high temps here so I dont know what to expect from dirt!!

Puff

[Suby]

If it contains chicken manure it could be too hot for clones, it depends on how much is in the mix.

Try some plain poting soil and 50% perlite for clones then move to that soil, add 30% perlite to that soil and 2 TBS dolomite lime for buffering ph and it's a good start.

Hydro is superior in optimal conditions but soil plants are much tougher to varying climates, pests, mold, disease, root rot, etc, especially if they are grown organic.

As far as nutes you can ammend the soil and then fert with guanos or organic ferts or use all organic ferts like PureBlend and be done with it, i like ammended soils with tea but it appears I'm oldschool before my time.

Sub's

[PuffinPhatties]

Thanx suby! That sounds like a good idea to start with 50% and move to 30% but I have to ask thats 2tbs of dolomite lime per what? Gallon liter?

Ya Hydro is definetly better in certain respects but not cost effective(ac, chiller eeek) especially sience im just a lowly med patient trying to grow mah own dankies.

Anyways, if I bought the PBP what kind of additives would I wanna add for flowering? I have some an bud blast for veg. Thanx again !

[Diego]

id just use general hydro with some diamond nectar and flourolishous if you want to keep it simple for the first go around. care with the flouroshous if you happen to get it use 1/4 strength first and slowly raise till plants desired intake. Only use 2 or 3 times. Cheap and pretty easy. Kellogs is fine.

[PuffinPhatties]

Hey diego thanx for the reply. I actually have some flourolishes left over from my last grow Diamond nectar is liquid karma right? That humic acid stuff I was thinking about picking some up as everyone seems to reccomend it.

I was just looking around and I noticed that ALOT of people compost, would you guys reccomend composting for my first time or is that something I should wait until my second grow for?(can you compost kellogs anyways?)

Thanx again guys!

[Diego]

yeah id start the compost now and get it ready for your next grow. and just go with the kellogs now. Good compost takes a minute to make, If you want maybe add a one bag of black gold (Small) to one bag of the kellogs.

[Suby]

2 TBS of DLime per gallon of soil mix,

I've used the PBPro veg and soil bloom formulas, they are complete and the dolomite lime will supply additional calcium, get the LiquidKarma too, it's the only bottle fert I still use.

LKarma has alot of fulvic and humic acids you won't need more that it provides.

[minds_I]

Hello all,

I used Kellogg's Patio Plus:

1. These were my first ever grows so take that with a bong hit.

2. I used Aslaska fish and EJ Bloom fert-and looking back I seriously over-ferted/total misuse of them in the beginning.

3. It is way to hot for seedlings period. I tried various mixes of kpp/peat/perlite but always had troubles.

4. I added D.lme @ 2 tbsn/gallon of soil mix.

Anyway, once I went to FFOF and ewc/guanomolasses/kelp teas- I have had steller results (compared to my earlier attemps).

To be honest, I might try it again using the teas-but I must admit that I have gained just a little knowledge on how to grow from experience so it may work well.

I live in Norcal so for a bag FFOF is about 10 bux a bag. The Kellogg's was about half that as I recall.

Suby,

I use a liquid kelp that has 6% humic acid. Its labeled as an organic:

https://www.greenair.com/bio-genesis....Tide%20Seaweed

Liquid karmas ad copy:

https://www.rosemania.com/shopsite_sc...product57.html

It seems to me that ewc/guano/molasses/kelp/oatmeal tea and maybe a touch of superthrive or even flat beer can be substituted.

I am only speculating since ad copy is inherently misleading to the producers benifit.

Just a thought.

minds_I

[NPK]

I've used the very same stuff--the Kellogg's in the blue and yellow striped bag, right? I liked the ingredient list, too. For my outdoors grow, I amended my heavy clay soil with the stuff (and with my own compost) and the garden is doing really well.

I also used the Kellogg's for my last indoor grow and got good results, but I started with really vigorous clones...I would agree that it's too hot for seedlings. The ones I've had in that soil (mixed with about 30% perlite) have been real slow starters. I'm going to use a seedling mix next time.

[Suby]

Hey MI,

The ingredients are just the tip of the iceberg, I've had lengthy discussions with a organic guru/chem teacher of mine who told me that the proportions and brewing techniques where also key but do doubt doable if you have a commercial brewer and a phD.

I sadly have neither so I shell out and buy it cause it works, I am however very ineterested in brewing my own with the right equipment and the right mentors.

The seaweed has humic acid in it because it is sort of a liquid compost of seaweed, any time a carbon based substance is in decomposition you get humic acids, that's why EWC are full of humic acids.

The FFOF is great soil, I'm sure it's too rich for seedlings also but it's no doubt some of the richest soils for mature plants out there and the results are all over the boards.

Sub's