[corky1968]

Does any of you know anyone who has ever asked a seed breeder for permission
to breed and sell their wares. No names are needed. I just would like to know if
it happened to anyone you know.

Or do people just buy seeds, rename them, make fancy websites and pretend
that they actually went overseas on seed hunting ventures when it's all lies?

I suspect getting permission for free from a big name (i.e. Sensi Seeds, Greenhouse, etc. ) is a pipe dream though.

[ChaosCatalunya]

Yes, it does happen, if you dig around a bit you can see breeders on here chatting with their customers and actively encouraging experiments and adventures.

Yes, most of the so called "breeders" around "just buy seeds, rename them, make fancy websites" but not that many actually "pretend that they actually went overseas on seed hunting ventures when it's all lies?" ... not much on offer now is crossed, or claimed to be crossed to landraces or developed versions of, so it is not such a hot topic of bullshitting as you might think.

[corky1968]

I'm only asking because it would be nice to create and sell something one day without being called a knockoff, thief, etc..

[MJPassion]

Then create and sell...
Making crosses that have already been done can be a rewarding adventure & save you some money. However, copying is looked down upon when there are same genetics on the market already for sale. Some breeders get a lil butt hurt when you make a fillial gen of their work & attempt to sell it.

My take is this...
If you purchased the seeds, use them how you like. No permission needed. You purchased your Right to use these seeds for whatever purpose you may have, even making porrage.

Seeds given by the breeder for testing purposes are to simply be grown, maybe keeping a mom or two after testing but not used for breeding without permission.

Just MY OPINION.

I can understand why some breeders dont want copies of their wares on the market made for sale. For breeders that have made this their lifes work, they have a Right to market their creations above anybody else that copies them.

Again... just MY OPINION.

[FireIn.TheSky]

Direct f2s and copy cats of strains currently available is straight theivery

F2s of old unavailable relatively extinct strains as a preservation project is fair game, so long as credit is given to the creator.

Making hybrids of other people's work is fair game, everyone does it.

Now if you wanted to be a cut above the rest create your own hybrids, then breed your own hybrids against eachother, create something entirely new, market it and sell it.

[bigbadbiddy]

The issue in all this lies in reputation, respect, credit where credit is due.

Some basic human decency kind of shit that the clowns and wannabe wanksters in this industry simply fail to grasp.


You don't need a license or blessing or whatever from Sensi or anyone else to use seeds you purchased from them and sell what comes of them under your own brand/name.

If you buy Jack Herrer seeds, plant and grow them, they are already no longer "Sensi's" Jack, they are "Corky's" Jack (that came from Sensi's Jack parent stock).
Now inbreed them and make F2s, they are certainly no longer Sensi's Jack but Corky's Jack.

Do with them as you wish. Call them Jock Horror instead of Jack Herrer, call them Blueberry, Caramel, Chili or Corky's Jack. Up to you!
Start a seed business, create a website, sell them under your name and your label.
Still A-ok, all of it. It is what you found in the genetics and what you got out of the plant and it is your breeding work that you are selling. It is absolutely fine to name it what you want and sell it under your own name.


What is NOT ok is what seems to be the standard MO in this industry:
Never give credit.


Every time I see "unknown strain" in a strain lineage I want to puke.
I bet 99% of the time that "unknown strain" is just your average Skunk or Nothern Lights plant that this particular breeder deemed "exceptional" and to create hype and illusion about his "new" strain, he just says "unknown strain"....


So you created Corky's Jack, started Corky Seeds, have the website up and running and are making mad stacks selling Corky's Jack.
People like the product and you sell at a reasonable price of 2 bucks a seed.
People start preferring Corky's Jack over TGA's Jack's Cleaner, Nirvana's Jock Horror and of course "the original" Sensi's Jack Herrer.
Why? Because you don't overprice your seeds like Sensi and TGA and they are just as good if not better than "the real thing".

So now you take away market share from Sensi, even though you are basically selling "their" genetics, "just" your twist on them or your selection from them.

Somehow seems shady/not right or something to the upstanding gentleman, hu?
But it isn't. It is absolutely fine.



The big question is this:
When your Corky's Jack blows up and everyone and their mother wants it. Will you list one of its parents as "unknown strain"?
Or will you come out and say that you found these magic beans in a pack of Sensi seeds and have been working with this line for years, gotten intimately familiar with it and are simply looking to bring out the best in Jack Herrer there is. And as luck/skill/whatever has it, you did an actually better job at it than "the creators" themselves.

Nothing wrong with that, at all.

Give credit, don't obscure your sources, be honest and upfront and don't hide behind "unknown strain".

That is all, if you do that, I fail to see how you can do anything wrong or immoral.

It's a plant.

[corky1968]

Originally Posted by bigbadbiddy

The issue in all this lies in reputation, respect, credit where credit is due.

Give credit, don't obscure your sources, be honest and upfront and don't hide behind "unknown strain".

So what your saying is all good. Thanks for the response.

BTW: Coming up with a story about aliens having landed and giving you Clone-X39 is not a smart thing?

I'm being sarcastic now..

I do agree integrity always shines in the long run.

[Betterhaff]

I cross and give away...I'm sure most breeders wouldn't have a problem with that.

[corky1968]

Originally Posted by Betterhaff

I cross and give away...I'm sure most breeders wouldn't have a problem with that.

From what I've read, giving lots of seeds for people to test is a good idea anyways.

That I would do when and if I get to cross that bridge.

[MileHighGlass]

Unless there is a legal right to a "name", or to the actual lineage of the seeds(obviously there isn't) then there is no reason for anyone to get mad if you use their seeds in a billion crosses.

I do think making f2's, f3's, etc.. of something currently on the market is a dick move, but that is just an opinion, and still it is your legal right to do so.

As the cannabis world expands with legalization, most people won't know you bought seeds from someone else, and made f2's, and resold them. I think this will get more prevalent.

What we think now will be totally different in just a few years. The legal cannabis economy is exploding right now, and it just started.