[stasis]

The boutique grower is in danger, just like it was in CA for Me. Yes, we need to always adapt - but there are limits. Now, the chorus is "I usually pay $____ for it.."

Unless selling ozs to patients, it is not worthwhile to even consider selling a P to most Dispos.

It is almost unfortunate that for a couple years I was able to get around 4-5K for my OG K in CA from Dispos. And 36 for the other strains.
Life was good for a couple years. If that never happened, I would never have it as a model..! haha

What do we care, about what they pay for crap...? if our hybrid plant, or Haze-derivative takes 74 or more days to REALLY finish....? MONEY...!!!!! BILLS, etc..

And what if it is High Times centerfold quality..? Where is the incentive to continue to grow anything but early pulled, high yielding commercial wannabe OG, or cookies crosses filled with Paclos...?

Talking to a silver-tongued Dispensary owner yesterday - I realize all figures are doctored in His favor - but what He claimed to pay for a P was worse than CA ever got, for the grower. "There are lots of desperate growers out there willing to sell for that price..." He said. Been there, seen that. Most people moved away from NorCal at that point. Or got big in order to compete. His words are the LAST thing I want to hear.

I asked of the quality of the cheapo buds, and He said "Beautiful." I take it with a grain of salt, cause He is a Pure BSer, and always trying to get me to lower my price, cause His 2k Pot is nowhere as good as Mine. He won;t admit it's worth the extra dollars, but see his eyes, when I give him some samples... WIDE EYED AND HAPPY, reaching for the pipe immediately..@).

MI MJ program sucks balls, & is going the way of the Dodo, regarding personal cannabis freedom. I do not want to be forced to NOT grow, and to smoke their Health Canada quality crap. Snyder signed a contract with those very people THREE YEARS AGO...

Here comes Big Business. I love how the Liquor distributors nationwide are bucking to be the SOLE distributors of cannabis for the small price of 300 a p to transport anywhere. (extraction lab, dispensary, wherever). Yet, for decades, they paid lobbyists and bribes to the tune of millions AGAINST CANNABIS>. It is titanically ironic and blatantly corrupt. PURE MICHIGAN. SNYDER AND SCHUTTE STILL LARGE AND IN CHARGE..

I've changed my model as of today. I will avoid as much as possible being squeezed by all sides from now on. Tired of this scene. THE GROWER TAKES MOST OF THE RISK, FINANCIALLY, LEGALLY AND OTHERWISE. Every state penalizes the grower, and rewards the Middleman.

Apparently, It is once again - BLACK MARKET or NO MARKET. And even that is not very profitable anymore.

My goal is to turn the tables a little bit. I don;t think I can overhaul the whole Supply & Demand paradigm in total...haha

[growingcrazy]

Why aren't we opening a caregiver owned collective based system in Michigan? I would love to have a pre-paid share based system for my patients. I think we have enough farms in the state to supply all the patients without the middleman. Basically like a farmer owned co-op market would operate. 20 or so markets across the state..

Also would like to hit on the pricing for conversations sake..

You mention getting 4-5k for a lb of OG. I can't justify requesting a donation with that kind of price tag. 280/oz puts you right at 4500/lb, the end user shouldn't pay that amount so how can we make that as growers? I am plenty happy getting 2400/lb if it is going directly to a patient and not a dispensary jar.

If you relate our system to how a normal farmer type situation would work, our system is flawed. If the farmer markets directly to the consumer, they get the largest returns but over a longer time span. If the farmer markets directly to a wholesaler, they get less return per unit but more potentially in one lump sum. At 5000/lb we are milking the wholesaler and the end consumer.

Not knocking you, just making conversation. I am happy you could knock out some 5k lbs to take care of you and your family while it lasted.

[stasis]

That was over a decade ago in NorCal. No of course, that;s changed. The OG I had was really coveted. A major seed company tried (and succeeded) in ripping off my mother room for 8 cuts of it. The only ripoff in 12 years, I invited them to my house. lEARNED LESSON.

My reason for consternation is this is exactly what happened in CA. And it became necessary to take drastic measures. Leave.

It is always necessary to adapt in any venture, especially Cannabizness. Now, is the time for brainstorming.

I always dream of a boutique market, then the Cheapskates prove me wrong.

EDIT: 6 hours later, I am sitting here extremely disenchanted with the whole movement - With the fearful neighbors, who look thru their blinds surreptitiously. With the STIGMA - of something that 55%+ of the people consume..!!!! I simply am tired of Hydro Store owners and their BS promises, and lies. THe manipulation in an industry that is peopled by drug dealers, aka "Puppetmasters." who use people, while utilizing a silver tongue and lying left and right.

The grower is ALWAYS the one who pays the price, and puts out the most $ up front. Takes the most risk, all in all the most important person in the process. And it matters not at all.

I should change my name from Stasis to Disenchanted Boutique Grower (who produces good yields, but is forced to keep the circle sooooo tight so as to preclude normal human interaction, cause people are POS's in this Cannabizness.)


2400 or less a P....? For that genetic and quality..? ECSD x Chemdog x Strawberry Diesel (Strawberry Cough x ECSD).... I'll do anything rather than accept that. Because, as we all know, once ya accept 24, it ain;t ever going back to 28... Or even 25.

[stasis]

I love my home state for many reasons. THe MMJ shitstem is NOT one of them.


BILL SCHUTTE (Attorney Gen) IS B.S. And head of the Dow Corning cartel.

[Shmavis]

Originally Posted by stasis

I love my home state for many reasons. THe MMJ shitstem is NOT one of them.

Did you happen to see this?

https://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/in...hanges_to.html

Regulations, regulations, and; did I mention: regulations. Goodbye caregiver. (Be sure to follow the “proposed legislation” link.)

And of course Schutte aspires to be the Governor. God help us.

Originally Posted by growingcrazy

... 280/oz puts you right at...

So $300 an oz is too much these days? Hmmm...

[growingcrazy]

Originally Posted by Shmavis

So $300 an oz is too much these days? Hmmm...

When that $300 might be your entire weekly income, it is. We are trying to put cannabis on the same pedestal as crude oil and diamonds, and it is neither.

If we take away all the non-sense and worries related to growing cannabis, what makes us growing it so special? Anybody can grow it, maybe not to the extent of some here, but still very realistic for anyone. You always hear talk about how cannabis should be 100% legal like any other plant on the planet. That is great, I am all for it. Just don't complain when the price is comparable to your 99 cent per lb tomato.

When we signed up as caregivers we signed up to take on the same risks as any small start up business. We incur all risks, security,monetary, whatever it may be. Just like any other business.

When it comes down to it are you trying to run a legit medical cannabis supply center or are you selling extra veggies from the garden? You can't get the income potential of the supply center on regulations pertaining to a boutique garden. You can't have the cake and eat it too.

My goal with growing has always been to grow my own at a low enough cost that I never run out. Why shouldn't this be my business model for my patients?

I know that if I had to pay $300 for every oz I smoke, I couldn't afford it. Can you?

[usda101]

Am i wrong to think its hard to compete with the people making the rules ? Good points on both sides , and makes me question my reasons for doing what i do . I grew up in the Garden with my Mom (RIP) and under the Hood with my Old Man . When i started growing for cheap smoke and $ i was a natural and loved it , Mechanical skills helped a lot . Then did some Care giving for a few friends with cancer and seeing the relief they got i was Hooked . Then last year my wife was Diagnosed with Cancer which i wont go into at this moment . legalization being in its infancy here OZs still go $250-$300 Black market on Par with Dispo , im cool with $225 for mine Friends Pay nothing if i can afford it . That being said the Politicians , Big Biz and Law enforcement will take over as much as possible . I hate the direction things are moving but i don't rely on it for primary income so i Fear none of these Forces . But sooo many Trailblazers in the community and to have Big Biz screw it all up Rubs me the wrong way . Sorry for going Off Topic a tad .

[TerpeneTom]

I adore the structure of Diesel, so alluring.

Nice pictures :-) Thanks for sharing.

[Shmavis]

This will come off as me being a dick, which is not my intention, but oh well here goes:

Originally Posted by growingcrazy

I know that if I had to pay $300 for every oz I smoke, I couldn't afford it. Can you?

Yes, I could. In fact, I did so for many years prior to growing my own; this very price in the early-to-mid-nineties. Product dictates price. Why should an influx of subpar product drive down the price of above-par product? The answer is that it doesn’t. As with most product, the consumer base will determine whether the product is worthy of the price.

Originally Posted by growingcrazy

We are trying to put cannabis on the same pedestal as crude oil and diamonds, and it is neither.

We are?

Originally Posted by growingcrazy

If we take away all the non-sense and worries related to growing cannabis, what makes us growing it so special? Anybody can grow it, maybe not to the extent of some here, but still very realistic for anyone. You always hear talk about how cannabis should be 100% legal like any other plant on the planet. That is great, I am all for it. Just don't complain when the price is comparable to your 99 cent per lb tomato.

The nonsense and worries exist. We are not in a position to take them away. You’re speaking of hypotheticals — current reality works better. And the current reality is that we’re not nearly to the point of wiping out the nonsense and worries (see, Schutte).

Originally Posted by growingcrazy

When we signed up as caregivers we signed up to take on the same risks as any small start up business. We incur all risks, security,monetary, whatever it may be. Just like any other business.

Do you really mean to make this claim? In logic this is referred to as false equivalence. It is a logical fallacy. This is not, “just like any other business.”

Originally Posted by growingcrazy

When it comes down to it are you trying to run a legit medical cannabis supply center or are you selling extra veggies from the garden? You can't get the income potential of the supply center on regulations pertaining to a boutique garden. You can't have the cake and eat it too.

My goal with growing has always been to grow my own at a low enough cost that I never run out. Why shouldn't this be my business model for my patients?

I think that you’ve conflated two separate points. Stasis is speaking specifically to the selling of overages to dispensaries. You are speaking of direct sales to the patient. Moreover, he is speaking of wares that are not of the normal fare.

It could be that what is asked of patients is not the same as what is asked of dispensaries. (some folks operate in this manner; I know of at least one for sure).

But the greater point (at least mine) is that you soon may no longer have the privilege of being a caregiver...


Edit:

Oh yeah, pretty flowers, stasis!

[DemonTrich]

Now adays all these "new" potential patients I meet and talk to the 1st damn thing out of their mouth is "how many ounces per month do I get for free"? I tell them nothing, free baggies is about it. I do give away certain medicinal items with every purchase. But wtf is wrong with this younger generation always wanting everyrhing for free? Fuck them, fuck the system, fuck michigan. Oregan, cali, Colorado are looking more and more promising every day.