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gumby420 · 03-25-2016, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Gold

Folded it over, and let it melt back to a thin slab. Folded itnover, then let it melt out large and flat again. It's like whipping, just how I do it in the latest stages..

ok cool thanks. ive been having a ridiculously hard time making crumble and ive tried pretty much every method ive seen. its driving me nuts. haha im about ready to start saying sorry i only make shatter.

gumby420 · 03-25-2016, 06:16 AM

also what you mentioned you dont bring the vac down to a full -29.5. where do you prefer to have it?

Old Gold · 03-25-2016, 07:47 AM

Everything is slab dependant...sometimes I make crumble by pulling to my pump's full capacity for way too long (7 days), or sometimes it's a very fine touch of heat, low vacuum and the right agitation. At least 40 to 50 Torr down to 8 Torr. Sometimes 2 or 3.

ManuelCrystal · 03-27-2016, 06:58 PM

what about the terps? if you get hot you loose a lil right? just asking

gumby420 · 03-31-2016, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Gold

Everything is slab dependant...sometimes I make crumble by pulling to my pump's full capacity for way too long (7 days), or sometimes it's a very fine touch of heat, low vacuum and the right agitation. At least 40 to 50 Torr down to 8 Torr. Sometimes 2 or 3.

thanks for the help. i finally made a nice looking honeycomb cookie after about 6 months of trial and error. i folded it over a bunch of times, basically until i saw some nucleation occurring, cranked the oven up 15* higher than i purged for shatter and pulled a vac to -27 and 24 hrs later i have a great solid cookie. thanks for the advice!!

xizqu · 04-03-2016, 05:05 PM

Whip and vac! Whip for 5 minutes(I've had success at whipping for a literal minute but it's not always), best if it has a few nucleation points, then throw in the oven.

I've had to whip up to 5 times but each whip you lose terps so I mostly whip stuff with small bits of nuclation because it'll turn faster.

Next decide if you want a budder chips or crumble. Budder chips, don't vac, I just leave in the oven at 90F overnight. If you want full crumble then vac it over night. Even with no vac it'll expand about 20% (this is just an estimate ) but full crumble will look like it's muffining again, you know it's done when you drop the vac and the "muffin" stays. You'll have to whip again if it drops when you deflate.

xizqu · 04-03-2016, 05:09 PM

Not my photos, didn't feel like uploading to imgur for url. Sorry for the long link, stupid google.

Budder chips: https://www.google.com/search?q=budd...jV4tTpJxypM%3A

Crumble from whip and vac tek:
https://www.google.com/search?q=budd...fZcM7X10LPM%3A

TerpChild · 01-30-2017, 05:50 AM

2 thumbs up on the folding tech, works every time for me. Fold and fold and fold, melt down, fold fold fold, melt down, pull vac at about 115F to 29.5hg

Sriley28 · 09-23-2017, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TerpChild

2 thumbs up on the folding tech, works every time for me. Fold and fold and fold, melt down, fold fold fold, melt down, pull vac at about 115F to 29.5hg

Did you keep ac for 24 hours? Also how much of the terps are lost?

frazierk · 09-23-2017, 10:25 AM

To make honeycomb I take shatter/pull 'n snap and roll it and squeeze it until it becomes soft and you can stretch and fold it in your hands like taffy. You can do it anytime along the purge as long as its not so sticky that it sticks all over your gloves. If you pull a muffin with the cotton candy tech sometimes you can do it straight out of the collection pot. Once it's soft I twist/stretch/fold until it becomes lighter in color, sometimes gold depending on the strain and starting consistency. Then I either roll it into a spiral (if its relatively stable) or fold it into a ball (if it stays soft) and place it in a vac oven between room temp - 80 F, again depending on strain and stability. I let it warm up for anywhere between 5-30 minutes, until it starts to melt together or fall down a little. Once it starts to melt down on itself i pull a vac to about -25" - -28", once the bubbles expand a bit but not pulling so hard that it collapses on itself and hold it there. Then about every half hour or so i pull another 1/4" to 1/2" of vacuum until it gets to be the size I want and it will eventually stabilizes. Sometimes it takes a day or two and sometimes it takes a week.

03-25-2016, 06:16 AM	#12
gumby420 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 139	also what you mentioned you dont bring the vac down to a full -29.5. where do you prefer to have it?
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03-25-2016, 07:47 AM	#13
Old Gold Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: N/A Posts: 743	Everything is slab dependant...sometimes I make crumble by pulling to my pump's full capacity for way too long (7 days), or sometimes it's a very fine touch of heat, low vacuum and the right agitation. At least 40 to 50 Torr down to 8 Torr. Sometimes 2 or 3.
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03-27-2016, 06:58 PM	#14
ManuelCrystal Newbie Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1	what about the terps? if you get hot you loose a lil right? just asking
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04-03-2016, 05:05 PM	#16
xizqu Newbie Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 11	Whip and vac! Whip for 5 minutes(I've had success at whipping for a literal minute but it's not always), best if it has a few nucleation points, then throw in the oven. I've had to whip up to 5 times but each whip you lose terps so I mostly whip stuff with small bits of nuclation because it'll turn faster. Next decide if you want a budder chips or crumble. Budder chips, don't vac, I just leave in the oven at 90F overnight. If you want full crumble then vac it over night. Even with no vac it'll expand about 20% (this is just an estimate ) but full crumble will look like it's muffining again, you know it's done when you drop the vac and the "muffin" stays. You'll have to whip again if it drops when you deflate.
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04-03-2016, 05:09 PM	#17
xizqu Newbie Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 11	Not my photos, didn't feel like uploading to imgur for url. Sorry for the long link, stupid google. Budder chips: https://www.google.com/search?q=budd...jV4tTpJxypM%3A Crumble from whip and vac tek: https://www.google.com/search?q=budd...fZcM7X10LPM%3A
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01-30-2017, 05:50 AM	#18
TerpChild Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: So Cal Posts: 129	2 thumbs up on the folding tech, works every time for me. Fold and fold and fold, melt down, fold fold fold, melt down, pull vac at about 115F to 29.5hg
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09-23-2017, 10:25 AM	#20
frazierk Newbie Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 35	To make honeycomb I take shatter/pull 'n snap and roll it and squeeze it until it becomes soft and you can stretch and fold it in your hands like taffy. You can do it anytime along the purge as long as its not so sticky that it sticks all over your gloves. If you pull a muffin with the cotton candy tech sometimes you can do it straight out of the collection pot. Once it's soft I twist/stretch/fold until it becomes lighter in color, sometimes gold depending on the strain and starting consistency. Then I either roll it into a spiral (if its relatively stable) or fold it into a ball (if it stays soft) and place it in a vac oven between room temp - 80 F, again depending on strain and stability. I let it warm up for anywhere between 5-30 minutes, until it starts to melt together or fall down a little. Once it starts to melt down on itself i pull a vac to about -25" - -28", once the bubbles expand a bit but not pulling so hard that it collapses on itself and hold it there. Then about every half hour or so i pull another 1/4" to 1/2" of vacuum until it gets to be the size I want and it will eventually stabilizes. Sometimes it takes a day or two and sometimes it takes a week.
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