Triploid seedling?

Tynehead Tom · Mar 12, 2016

so I picked up some seeds just recently , beanhoarder sweet tooth3 F2. One of the seedlings is a freak and has come up with 3 seed pod leaves instead of the usual 2.

is this a triploid? and if so, what can anyone tell me about such plants. I've only seen this once before, and come to think about it, the plant was also a sweet tooth seedling, but from the original sweet tooth release back in the late 90's

I'm trying to get some decent pics. the first set of leaves are just starting to form in the center of the sprout and I can definitely see, with a magnifying glass, 3 new leaves forming.

comments? thoughts? some please educate me LOL

Snook · Mar 12, 2016

Let us into your crystal ball, TT. No pic :biggrin:

Tynehead Tom · Mar 12, 2016

ya, I'm trying to get my camera to focus on it.... pics are coming, I'll also be keeping weekly updates on it in my journal

Tynehead Tom · Mar 12, 2016

LarryBudMelman · Mar 12, 2016

Probably nothing to call home about. Mutations are fairly common within blueberry or other inbred lines I think. Hopefully it turns into a nice plant for you

Here's a plant I had recently

MJPassion · Mar 14, 2016

Triploid... No.
That term is related to genetic recombos and those plants are more rare than rainbow unicorn poop.

The correct term is whirled (whorled) phalotaxy. Whirled phalotaxy is actually fairly common in cannabis.
Photo above is a perfect example.

Phaeton · Mar 14, 2016

This Auto Lemon Skunk has three of the little round leaves but the larger serrated leaves all came in normally.

Tynehead Tom · Mar 14, 2016

thanx for the replies fellas
here's an updated pic from today.

WelderDan · Mar 14, 2016

MJ Passion is correct. That is called Whorled Phyllotaxy. It is sometimes called a trifoliate, which I think some some folks mix up with triploid.

I've never had a female with whorled phyllotaxy, they have all been males and they all grew out of it. Females do occur, and I've seen some that didn't grow out of it and retained the trait through flowering. But they don't yield any better than a regular plant. Interesting, but nothing special.

Betterhaff · Mar 14, 2016

Here’s a small whorled girl I flowered out. Three bud sites at each node. A lot of times they revert back to normal structure and most of the ones I’ve grown turned out to be males.

St. Phatty · Mar 14, 2016

MJPassion said:
Triploid... No.
That term is related to genetic recombos and those plants are more rare than rainbow unicorn poop.

The correct term is whirled (whorled) phalotaxy. Whirled phalotaxy is actually fairly common in cannabis.
Photo above is a perfect example.

Are the genetic re-combo's ever associated with lab tests done using colchicine ?

I remember reading about triploidy/ triploidal, in an old Ed Rosenthal grow book.

As far as seeing it in practice, TH Seeds' Sage & Sour displayed it. I got a Fem seed of S&S and grew it, and noticed the 3 way branching.

It was also really good, a forest of trichomes when you looked, like a miniature forest in some ganja-friendly Dr. Seuss "Horton hears a Who" type world. Jeez I'm still hallucinating :woohoo:

Would definitely like to get the terminology sorted out.

I observed the 3 way branching structure in a coffee plant too.

If you're growing a plant whose fruits are branch-based, and the amount of branching increases 50% at each node - it offers some hope of an increase in output.

I didn't see any more weight on the three branch geometry cannabis plant I had, though.

Betterhaff · Mar 14, 2016

St. Phatty said:
Would definitely like to get the terminology sorted out.

Actually -ploidy refers to the numbers in the chromosome sets…ie diploid = 2 in a set, triploid = 3 in a set, tetraploid = 4 and so on.

I didn't see any more weight on the three branch geometry cannabis plant I had, though.

Me neither.

Tynehead Tom · Mar 14, 2016

ya, I wasn't really hoping it was some 'special plant' , just posting it to get some feedback.
I'll grow it out and see what happens.
now, it it's a male, would one cull it or any other issues breeding it? I suppose it could up the chances of producing more freaks, which would not be the goal LOL

Tynehead Tom · Mar 21, 2016

here's a fresh pic (march 21) of the freak, it's actually growing quite vigourously the past few days

Beanhoarder Sweet Tooth 3 F2

chronosync · Mar 21, 2016

That's kind of cool, the symmetry it has. It's doing hexagonal geometry. That's how you start metatrons cube.

Dropped Cat · Mar 21, 2016

It's a shamrock:

From a yogurt cup contest a couple years ago.

MJPassion · Mar 29, 2016

St. Phatty said:
Are the genetic re-combo's ever associated with lab tests done using colchicine ?

I think I remember Sam Skunkman speaking on this & I believe the answer is yes.

Triploidy (3n) is achieved by creating an tetraploid (4n) specimen, via colchacine, then breeding it to a dipliod (2n) specimen.

Also, as far as terminology goes,
Ploidy is covered.

'folate... has to do with the number of leaflets coming from the petiol or leaf stem.

A shamrock would be a good example of a "trifolate" plant.

Cannabis can exhibit any number from trifolate OG types to multi-folate sativas throwing up to 13 leaflets per petiol.

HTH

Tynehead Tom · Mar 29, 2016

My freak sweet tooth3 f2 is doing well and smells wonderful. I hope it's a female. It's maintaining it's new growth at the top in 3's but side branch tops are normal.
regardless of being a positive or negative find when throwing seeds down, I think it's cool and a neat plant to grow out

maybe i'll snap a pic later to show progress. today is day 21 or 22 from seed.

Chunkypigs · Mar 30, 2016

I see this pretty regularly in the OGKB cookie genetics I'm crossing along with other mutations.

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