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02-26-2016, 04:18 PM

after 28 years I now know what went wrong and why ....

as the art of growing indoor took over the main genetic pool grew so did the failing qualities and purities in the mass of strain bases ...you are out right not going to believe what is causing it ... it 's crazy we should have seen it way before now ...

I have been studying cold temp growing at 30-51 degrees for around 28 years now . and just in the last few months I noticed some odd growing factors . when I isolated them ,I saw why the genetic pool is failing ,....

its how we our self's are growing in door . the mass of indoor breeding strains has grown out of control as cannabis becomes a river of genetic strain and hybrid crosses . but it still comes back to how we grow and the system we all know works best for cannabis it self ...

as of late I shot a few videos for You tube and was working on one when I noticed these odd data patterns in the growth rates of my monster clones cut in 5 week of late flowering ,I tested both a number of given plants and the given strains over 14# ...C99 in 7th gen the results stopped me in my tracks ... see in cold temps I grow as low as 30 degrees some times my grow hits as low as 0 degrees but my main scale is from 30 -51 degrees and this is my winter scale . I have been using this scale for 28 years ...

the fact is I get great cold temp monster clones ..
this time I found out why ...?

as my plant develops into flowering as most growers cut away the lower growth ,I as a cold temp breeder did not . I left the two lower "insufficient clones "and waited to cut the 2 and 3rd sets when the plant went into flowering to force growth for developing flower sets and cast a full stable gender trait ..

now do you see it ..?

that's what's wrong .. we cut away and throw out the "insufficient clones "

"my test proves those clones are the most viable clones any cannabis plant or strain base can produce..."

what it proves is the best genetics in the plant are kept in those little "insufficient clones "

yes , like a piggy bank the plant keeps a record of its genetic ID in those little clones "..trapped in those "insufficient clones "

i cut a grow , i cut off everything but the two "insufficient clones "
harvested the product and took some cloning gel and covered the end of the stalk .. let the "insufficient clones " reveg plant .. in two weeks i had a full new growth growing twice as fast as the other clones .. do you see it now ... the plant locks its genetic ID in those "insufficient clones ".. the best purities example of its genetic markers are in those "insufficient clones "

in modern growing we cut them away and throw them out .. that's what's wrong with the genetic pool a simple answer a simple solation

i don't have to wait 4 or 5 weeks to re veg a mother that has flowered buds still on it ..
i can take those "insufficient clones " and they will be 5 or 6 inches tall in new growth in 2-3 weeks , if i cut them i have two new nice very healthy clones or i can leave them on the mother root stock and those large root system will feed the new clones faster then any other way could very do it ... i can pinch them at 1 ft high and force lots of clone growth or use that same growth to make a full branching plant again ...

but the facts are now a matter of record . this is what is wrong with the genetic pool ..

you want the best plants you can get ... try it ... ! you can still cut away and force flower develop , never cut those two lower "insufficient clones "!

this is why those two "insufficient clones " never grow like the rest of the plant dose , even the fact the flowering traits are developed at the top of the plant the id genetic code is cast off from the lower branches as they turn yellow and feed the flowering buds as the harvest times comes closer .

the new rule of cannabis ,

" never cut those two lower "insufficient clones " !

the future of cannabis is defined by those "insufficient clones " in any strain base ,in any grow .. that's the true difference between a IBL and a hybrid !

these are the "Cut Away Clones "

grow your strains the way you always do . just don't cut the cut away clones ,leave them and after you harvest seal you stalk and your new cut away clones will take off better then the mother they can from ...

stay safe stay free
Tazz11

Coba · 02-26-2016, 04:37 PM

This is fascinating. May I add some stuff from the Encyclopedia Britannica?

Quote:

Meristems are classified by their location in the plant as apical (located at root and shoot tips), lateral (in the vascular and cork cambia), and intercalary (at internodes, or stem regions between the places at which leaves attach, and leaf bases, especially of certain monocotyledons—e.g., grasses). Apical meristems are also known as primary meristems because they give rise to the primary plant body. Lateral meristems are secondary meristems because they are responsible for secondary growth, or increase in stem girth and thickness. Meristems form anew from other cells in injured tissues and are responsible for wound healing.

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MJPassion · 02-26-2016, 04:40 PM

Can you make this less convoluted & more understandable. There's way to many words there. I think I understand what your trying to convey but it's convoluted by unnecessary repetative information.

Ok... maybe I dont understand.
That last sentence is really corn fusing.

02-26-2016, 05:20 PM

simple put :

your cannabis plant is storing its genetic markers in those two "insufficient clones ".

if i am correct those two "insufficient clones " cast the ID genetic markers for the given strain base to the rest of the plant as it develops.. see if a grower cuts them off and he is making seeds the seeds will be less stable and gender will be less stable as well .

the seeds made will cast the same qualities as the mother they were made from .. no "insufficient clones " ,no stabilizing factor in the mother ...fact !

what is wrong with the genetic pool ?

gender stabilization ,strain stabilization

think about it this way . what is the first nude created on a plant .. those "insufficient clones " are those first nude .. yet the plant leaves them at the bottom and grows from the top of the plant up .. those are the only nude on the plant that dose that ..

when a seedling develops its purist nude is those "insufficient clones "

the first growth is makes is those "insufficient clones " and they have less reflection of the environment they are in ..

if the top of the plant was ate by a deer the only hope that plant has is those lower harder to get to nudes , the plant keeps is markers safe there un till they are needed .. only when the plant is developing flowers do they start to turn yellow as the buds suck the sap from them ...

if you change your system of growing by leaving those two lower "insufficient clones " and only use them your strains will get stronger and more stable ....as will their gender traits ...

02-26-2016, 05:23 PM

don't cut the two lower clones .. they are the best breeding stock for that plant !

( "they are effecting the whole rest of the plants life cycle and any seeds or clones made from it ...!" )

02-26-2016, 06:05 PM

why , this is why !

see the first bushy 8 plants in the front , they C99 in 7th gen

they are also monster clones cut in 5 th week of flowering.

i cut 40 and 14 are left . those 14 were cut from a mother that still had its cut away clones .. the others that are dead .. were not ,...if they are not dead will be soon ..

the point is ,the only difference was the mother these clones came from, still had her two lower clones ...same room ,same strain ...the only possible answer was the fact the mother had those two lower clones still on it ...i even move them around in the grow thinking it could be placement with in the grow .. answer was no ,

those cut away clones are causing the effects on the rest of the plant .. no other logical possible answer ...

02-26-2016, 06:23 PM

what dose it all mean ..

in cold temps i see the cause and effects much easier then having thousands of plants ..

the qualities of the C99 monster clones is a direct reflection of the fact the mother they were cut from had its "insufficient clones " still in place ..

as the modern methods of growing cloning and making seeds were defend threw the years those "insufficient clones " became less useful and were in most cases throw away .

over time their genetic markers have been removed from the genetic pool ..we can change this very easily for a better future for the genetic pool of cannabis by under standing the value of those "insufficient clones " and the cut away clones they can develop into ...

in most cases greed for yield has taken the best qualities from your genetic pool ...we are the cause !

" wisdom threw a better under standing ,i can only learn my own faults "

you wanted to know what was wrong with the genetic pool .. the answer ! " the presents of modern man "

stay safe stay free

Coba · 02-26-2016, 06:28 PM

Here's another helpful article from PBS...

amanda88 · 02-26-2016, 09:10 PM

I stand by my mentor:

77F/25c is the best temperature to grow

fall below 50% (33f/12c) the plants falls DORMANT (little growth)

likewise too hot the plant falls DORMANT or goes to sleep

as for genetic markers ...?

Gee! dna is all over the plant just as it is all over you and me,

vip:

a cutting is a cloned plant with no roots

as is a clone is a cutting until its got roots..?

I pity you trying to grow in chilly temps for 28 years

do you ever see any mature plants, do they ever finish..?

I agree to the fact, that there is far less (N) in those lower laterals

and perhaps more in the line of excess Gibberellins or even general hormone activity

sorry to diss you, I just find it hard to accept a grower of 28 years could 'discover' such a feat..?

perhaps you have a peer?

Lester Beans · 02-26-2016, 09:17 PM

Are you saying you believe that different parts of the plant contains different DNA or properties? Impossible.

Also are you saying you have had a plant that survived 0 degrees??

I fail to see how any of this relates to the gene pool.

02-26-2016, 04:18 PM	#1
tazz11 Guest Posts: n/a	where did we go wrong ,the cannabis genetic pool after 28 years I now know what went wrong and why .... as the art of growing indoor took over the main genetic pool grew so did the failing qualities and purities in the mass of strain bases ...you are out right not going to believe what is causing it ... it 's crazy we should have seen it way before now ... I have been studying cold temp growing at 30-51 degrees for around 28 years now . and just in the last few months I noticed some odd growing factors . when I isolated them ,I saw why the genetic pool is failing ,.... its how we our self's are growing in door . the mass of indoor breeding strains has grown out of control as cannabis becomes a river of genetic strain and hybrid crosses . but it still comes back to how we grow and the system we all know works best for cannabis it self ... as of late I shot a few videos for You tube and was working on one when I noticed these odd data patterns in the growth rates of my monster clones cut in 5 week of late flowering ,I tested both a number of given plants and the given strains over 14# ...C99 in 7th gen the results stopped me in my tracks ... see in cold temps I grow as low as 30 degrees some times my grow hits as low as 0 degrees but my main scale is from 30 -51 degrees and this is my winter scale . I have been using this scale for 28 years ... the fact is I get great cold temp monster clones .. this time I found out why ...? as my plant develops into flowering as most growers cut away the lower growth ,I as a cold temp breeder did not . I left the two lower "insufficient clones "and waited to cut the 2 and 3rd sets when the plant went into flowering to force growth for developing flower sets and cast a full stable gender trait .. now do you see it ..? that's what's wrong .. we cut away and throw out the "insufficient clones " "my test proves those clones are the most viable clones any cannabis plant or strain base can produce..." what it proves is the best genetics in the plant are kept in those little "insufficient clones " yes , like a piggy bank the plant keeps a record of its genetic ID in those little clones "..trapped in those "insufficient clones " i cut a grow , i cut off everything but the two "insufficient clones " harvested the product and took some cloning gel and covered the end of the stalk .. let the "insufficient clones " reveg plant .. in two weeks i had a full new growth growing twice as fast as the other clones .. do you see it now ... the plant locks its genetic ID in those "insufficient clones ".. the best purities example of its genetic markers are in those "insufficient clones " in modern growing we cut them away and throw them out .. that's what's wrong with the genetic pool a simple answer a simple solation i don't have to wait 4 or 5 weeks to re veg a mother that has flowered buds still on it .. i can take those "insufficient clones " and they will be 5 or 6 inches tall in new growth in 2-3 weeks , if i cut them i have two new nice very healthy clones or i can leave them on the mother root stock and those large root system will feed the new clones faster then any other way could very do it ... i can pinch them at 1 ft high and force lots of clone growth or use that same growth to make a full branching plant again ... but the facts are now a matter of record . this is what is wrong with the genetic pool .. you want the best plants you can get ... try it ... ! you can still cut away and force flower develop , never cut those two lower "insufficient clones "! this is why those two "insufficient clones " never grow like the rest of the plant dose , even the fact the flowering traits are developed at the top of the plant the id genetic code is cast off from the lower branches as they turn yellow and feed the flowering buds as the harvest times comes closer . the new rule of cannabis , " never cut those two lower "insufficient clones " ! the future of cannabis is defined by those "insufficient clones " in any strain base ,in any grow .. that's the true difference between a IBL and a hybrid ! these are the "Cut Away Clones " grow your strains the way you always do . just don't cut the cut away clones ,leave them and after you harvest seal you stalk and your new cut away clones will take off better then the mother they can from ... stay safe stay free Tazz11 Last edited by tazz11; 02-29-2016 at 03:34 AM..
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02-26-2016, 04:40 PM	#3
MJPassion Observer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: uni-verse Posts: 5,584	Can you make this less convoluted & more understandable. There's way to many words there. I think I understand what your trying to convey but it's convoluted by unnecessary repetative information. Ok... maybe I dont understand. That last sentence is really corn fusing.
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02-26-2016, 05:20 PM	#4
tazz11 Guest Posts: n/a	simple put : your cannabis plant is storing its genetic markers in those two "insufficient clones ". if i am correct those two "insufficient clones " cast the ID genetic markers for the given strain base to the rest of the plant as it develops.. see if a grower cuts them off and he is making seeds the seeds will be less stable and gender will be less stable as well . the seeds made will cast the same qualities as the mother they were made from .. no "insufficient clones " ,no stabilizing factor in the mother ...fact ! what is wrong with the genetic pool ? gender stabilization ,strain stabilization think about it this way . what is the first nude created on a plant .. those "insufficient clones " are those first nude .. yet the plant leaves them at the bottom and grows from the top of the plant up .. those are the only nude on the plant that dose that .. when a seedling develops its purist nude is those "insufficient clones " the first growth is makes is those "insufficient clones " and they have less reflection of the environment they are in .. if the top of the plant was ate by a deer the only hope that plant has is those lower harder to get to nudes , the plant keeps is markers safe there un till they are needed .. only when the plant is developing flowers do they start to turn yellow as the buds suck the sap from them ... if you change your system of growing by leaving those two lower "insufficient clones " and only use them your strains will get stronger and more stable ....as will their gender traits ...
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02-26-2016, 06:05 PM	#6
tazz11 Guest Posts: n/a	why , this is why ! see the first bushy 8 plants in the front , they C99 in 7th gen they are also monster clones cut in 5 th week of flowering. i cut 40 and 14 are left . those 14 were cut from a mother that still had its cut away clones .. the others that are dead .. were not ,...if they are not dead will be soon .. the point is ,the only difference was the mother these clones came from, still had her two lower clones ...same room ,same strain ...the only possible answer was the fact the mother had those two lower clones still on it ...i even move them around in the grow thinking it could be placement with in the grow .. answer was no , those cut away clones are causing the effects on the rest of the plant .. no other logical possible answer ... Last edited by tazz11; 02-29-2016 at 03:34 AM..

02-26-2016, 06:23 PM	#7
tazz11 Guest Posts: n/a	what dose it all mean .. in cold temps i see the cause and effects much easier then having thousands of plants .. the qualities of the C99 monster clones is a direct reflection of the fact the mother they were cut from had its "insufficient clones " still in place .. as the modern methods of growing cloning and making seeds were defend threw the years those "insufficient clones " became less useful and were in most cases throw away . over time their genetic markers have been removed from the genetic pool ..we can change this very easily for a better future for the genetic pool of cannabis by under standing the value of those "insufficient clones " and the cut away clones they can develop into ... in most cases greed for yield has taken the best qualities from your genetic pool ...we are the cause ! " wisdom threw a better under standing ,i can only learn my own faults " you wanted to know what was wrong with the genetic pool .. the answer ! " the presents of modern man " stay safe stay free Last edited by tazz11; 02-26-2016 at 06:58 PM..

02-26-2016, 05:23 PM	#5
tazz11 Guest Posts: n/a	don't cut the two lower clones .. they are the best breeding stock for that plant ! ( "they are effecting the whole rest of the plants life cycle and any seeds or clones made from it ...!" )

02-26-2016, 06:28 PM	#8
Coba Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,510	Here's another helpful article from PBS...
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02-26-2016, 09:10 PM	#9
amanda88 Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: uk Posts: 719	I stand by my mentor: 77F/25c is the best temperature to grow fall below 50% (33f/12c) the plants falls DORMANT (little growth) likewise too hot the plant falls DORMANT or goes to sleep as for genetic markers ...? Gee! dna is all over the plant just as it is all over you and me, vip: a cutting is a cloned plant with no roots as is a clone is a cutting until its got roots..? I pity you trying to grow in chilly temps for 28 years do you ever see any mature plants, do they ever finish..? I agree to the fact, that there is far less (N) in those lower laterals and perhaps more in the line of excess Gibberellins or even general hormone activity sorry to diss you, I just find it hard to accept a grower of 28 years could 'discover' such a feat..? perhaps you have a peer? __________________ Omnes hortulani melius quam alia hortulani all gardeners know better than other gardeners
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02-26-2016, 09:17 PM	#10
Lester Beans Frequent Flyer Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ~ In The Garden Pulling Weeds ~ Posts: 3,223	Are you saying you believe that different parts of the plant contains different DNA or properties? Impossible. Also are you saying you have had a plant that survived 0 degrees?? I fail to see how any of this relates to the gene pool.
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