[Gizmo]

Hello fellows,

i would like to ask you a question for those who are well educated about breeding please, i was thinking about a little hobby breeding project : crossing two unrelated outdoor strains to shorten the flowering times of one of the strain and at the same time keeping the potency high and good resistance to mildew.

I can't grow many plants so the parental plants will be both from quality fems seeds, i will have to reverse one female from a strain in order to pollinate the other strain. It will be easier to find the plants with the traits im looking for as the parental will be only females plants. If possible i will try to make several matings with different plants from both parental strains to make different seedlots.

here is some characteristics about the two strains :

Strain A : fems seeds from inbred line, high potency, average to high resistance to mildew, not early enough, average yield.

Strain B : fems seeds with some variation, average potency, high resistance to mildew, very early, high yield.

Both are Sativa dominant hybrids.

My goal will be to create an F1 line with heterosis, keeping the high potency of strain A and adding the earliness of strain B, keeping the high resistance to mildew from both strains and adding the high yield from strain B if possible.(the heterosis effect should help on the yield i hope)

My question is two questions in fact Will the seeds be all females ? Will there some difference between the seeds from the two lines : female A1 x pollen from reversed female B1 and female B1 x pollen from reversed female A1 ?

thank you

ok i,m just apollen chucker , but what i would do is reverse B onto A . the lower potency heavier yielder onto your potent strain .

not sure with fem beans , cause i haven't made them yet . but with all the crosses i made, i find the female that gets pollinated carries over most of the dominance of the cross .


theres only been one case for me where the male i used dominated . that was a yeti f3 male. anything it touched it passed all its traits . and totally killed anything the mother had to do with it just about .

there just my findings. so you want the the plant your most happiest with getting hit with the pollen

[MJPassion]

Just another mother chucker here too.

If you collect pollen from both FEMS you can pollenate both females w each other.
But...
As genes are genes and they recombine in such random arrangements, I don't think it matters a lick which is reversed for pollen.

Chimera has a decent report on this in his forum.

is there a link too chimera thread ? or a title name ? sounds like a good read .

[Gizmo]

hello guys, thank you for the replies, pittymick this is very interesting that you find the female that gets pollinated carries over most of the dominance of the cross. i will have to apply and practice to see how dominance and sex linked genes works and to make my idea too as im full of theory but a novice.

Thinking more about my first question about seeds that will be all females, i find it logical that the seeds coming from the mating of 2 unrelated fems strains will only give females because logicaly the 2 strains both lack the Y chromosome but as i understand after some reading on the forum, "true" females or "strongly" females must have been used in the first place.

a question bringing another, if females plants don't have Y chromosome how its possible for them to make some pollen when stressed by the nature or deliberatly by the man ?

MJPassion, i have the same impression that A x B or B x A will not make a difference but again all of this must be confirmed in the field. Could you provide a link about the Chimera report you talked about please ? i did not find the thread. thank you very much

[jesbuds]

Have a cross I'm running now and mostly carries more of the male traits, from my recent run, about 75% took after the male. It's not really a male/female thing, just genetics and really I always think of genetics in terms of Punnett squares, it's all recessive/dominance and probability.

Don't see any issue with breeding fem seeds, some will argue certain things are lost without a true male, don't have enough personal experience breeding them to say but I think it'd be fine. I have also read some very interesting things about breeding with fems and how it can significantly speed up the process. Forget exactly but someone was likening S1 fem crosses to something like an F3 'normal' cross, I know I'm not remembering that right but hopefully that gives you the gist of things. I didn't taken it in as well as I should have because I'm concentrating on regular crosses. Also generally easier for folks to select a nice females than nice males.

Alas, always learning, it's a fun journey.

Here's some more reading:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=287116

well i guess another example that backs up my theory up about the mum mostly being dominate , i,ll say again i,m just a shit kicker .

is look at all the bodhi gear , he mainly uses one male for a heap of crosses yeah? and what mainly shines through in his crosses ? in my experience , the female . i,ve done a heap of his Appalachian crosses and its very easy to see the mother he used rather than the male appy . you can see how he plays his part off course . but not dominate imo.

as said before , i could be completely out of the ball park . i know theres science behind all this stuff . lol its just what i notice .i,ve never picked up a book . i can't take things in by reading , i take things in by observation .

[jesbuds]

Hey man that's most all of what breeding is, noticing patterns and going with ones you like. Love the uniqueness one can find with breeding and you breed what you enjoy, it's an expression of yourself imo.

[MJPassion]

Heres a linker folks.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=309983

Enjoy

[MJPassion]

Also...

Yall might like reading a few particular members posts.

Sam Skunkman has been on the front lines for decades. Check him out.

Chimera is a geneticist so his words arent amateur. He's been in the game for quite a while as well.

Id sugget another member here but he just disappeared for security reasons. Everything he posted is gone for the time being. This is probably the dude that made the cments about S1 being like F3s.

The link jesbuds posted is also an excellent one.