[Buddyy]

such a waste dumping perfectly good soil...the growshop companies are happy thou

oh hey petflora sorry for crashing your thread dude, you rock!

[jesbuds]

Yea sorry didn't mean to detract from your DIY thread man. And Buddy, I like your thoughts on boobies....I do love boobies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ugPrr5zOSU

[PetFlora]

Originally Posted by Buddyy

such a waste dumping perfectly good soil...the growshop companies are happy thou

oh hey petflora sorry for crashing your thread dude, you rock!

I dump my 'spent' hydro nutes in my outdoor garden trees shrubs, avocado...

[John LOQUE]

speaking about natural things, growing under lights is not natural too, so why not using hydro?
Outdoor, i use full soil, no container, indoor i use hydro, keeping it super simple as always. No PK, no additives, low ec and happy plants.
But if you prefer soil, it's up to you.
I say soil plants finish faster, i mean when i grow them. Why, because they stress of root bound very fast and flower in a hurry to perpetuate the strain, i guess, like in Morocco mountains.

[Buddyy]

Originally Posted by John LOQUE

speaking about natural things, growing under lights is not natural too, so why not using hydro?
Outdoor, i use full soil, no container, indoor i use hydro, keeping it super simple as always. No PK, no additives, low ec and happy plants.
But if you prefer soil, it's up to you.
I say soil plants finish faster, i mean when i grow them. Why, because they stress of root bound very fast and flower in a hurry to perpetuate the strain, i guess, like in Morocco mountains.

John, root bound plants may be stressed and may induce earlier flowering and shorter finishing.....this has nothing to do with the fact it is in soil but rather the fact that it is root bound and stressed!
So I say-growing in soil is not a week faster than hydro, do you agree?

Yes I understand that growing under artificial lighting is not natural...
so the least I can do is provide a growing medium which does it's best to replicate perfect outdoor soil conditions, complete with worms, bacteria, nematodes, protozoa, algae and slime, mulch, mycorrhizal fungi and so on.
John, what have root bound stressed plants have to do with plants grown in the Moroccan mountains? Have you been to Morocco? I didn't understand the comparison.

Petflora if you understood how plants in nature obtain nutrients from the soil you would know that salt based fertilisers actually kill micro bacteria and microflora in soils and are detrimental to soil health. If you want to know something I would suggest you read a book like 'The Ideal Soil' or 'Teaming with nutrients'

[windycitysmoker]

Originally Posted by Buddyy

To each their own.

I find hydro complicated and full of potential problems and things that can go wrong. The main thing I don't like about hydro is I find it UNNATURAL. Another thing is the taste of the weed, organic DEFINITELY tastes BETTER.
Weed grown in hydro is like force feeding whereas in organic living soil the plants are free to choose what they want when they want it. Plants grown in organic living soil have superior immune systems.

Sure I only yield about 0,5gr per watt (I buy 15cm clones, veg them for 2 weeks in 20l smart pots)but I'm not in it for the money. I love producing top quality weed from plants that were happy and untreated with any insecticides or pesticides, just some aloe vera foliar sprays, barley enzyme teas, ACT from ewc and molasses.
I also save money by recycling my soil, making my own garden compost, EWC and using plants from my garden to make fertilisers.
The only thing I buy from the growshop these days are clones and bulbs and air filters. I think organic is also better for the environment.

Wait I hear ya...But yield, oh yea yield thats real important. LOL

UNNATURAL remember...or if you like ARTIFICIAL :P

I'm out of here, good luck to you all!

#1 hydro is not for newbies NO pun intended .It is only complicated if you don't know what you're doing #2 your statement is biased its what you feel as unnatural so any thing you say I don't beleave your brain is playing tricks on you. You know like a Mirage .Growing from clones isn't Natural ,but I bet you do it.#3 yes a ten week strain is a ten week strain,BUT you all ready said hydro veggs faster How about Way faster so I can flower my plants a whole month before you can . So in reality I will be done for weeks earlier than a soil grow .#4 They do make organic nutes for hydro so how and why again is soil bud taste better than hydro?
I'm lost did some one say that soil is better than hydro O HeRE WE GO AGAIN Uneducated statements..

[PetFlora]

BUDDY, this is a HYDRO thread, and while the occasional misguided organic soil tastes better view is expected, you have well over-staid your welcome in that regard, regurgitating the same unscientifically supported crap over and over.

That you twice grew hydro speaks volumes. Clearly, you've never learned how to grow PROPERLY with hydro (and uite likely your next attempt won't be much better), so... PLEASE move on as you said you were several of your posts ago (post #10 & 12)

I will address your orange juice comment though, plants are equipped to convert inorganic matter into organic byproducts such as the water that develops inside all plants, vegetables, and fruits. The better balanced the inorganic nutrients are the better/healthier the end product. The reason why commercially grown fruits and vegetables lack taste (or nutrient value) is due to big agra using depleted; soil nutrients, micronutrients, microbes, and dead water... Big Agra chooses to use pesticides, insecticides and GMOs instead. Seems clear they are in concert with big pharma

Structured water devices are proven in commercial agriculture, but big agra turns a blind eye. Do a YT search

[mojave green]

Well if you harvest a fruit or vegetable weeks early so you can ship it across the country, it certainly will not taste like a local grown, freshly harvested one, organic or not.
How does old sushi taste?

[Snook]

Originally Posted by Buddyy

"The old argument that organic tastes better is laughable".......you are joking right?
I can only speak from personal experience and that is that organically grown weed DOES taste better than salt based ferts. I have read other people sharing this view. Pet you are the first person I have come across that does not share this view.
"Another great benefit of Hydro is growth, which is typically 2-4Xs greater. This is confirmed by many Greenhouse Seed YT videos"......LOL! Have you ever grown organically? Well I have grown in hydro and in soilless mediums and now finally and thank god I do ROLS and am growing the BEST indoor weed in my life with the least money, the least time and the least problems EVER.
I will call BS when I see it.

Brother, you first have to obtain that stuff that you then have to cook (some) to deploy. I know nothing of ROLS, just went and read a few pages on it. If you think its the best, then it is, no argument but not buying the time part. Part of 'time' is also attention to detail... I think.

EDIT: you didn't mention PH, that's good.

Am I wrong?

[Snook]

Originally Posted by John LOQUE

speaking about natural things, growing under lights is not natural too, so why not using hydro?
Outdoor, i use full soil, no container, indoor i use hydro, keeping it super simple as always. No PK, no additives, low ec and happy plants.
But if you prefer soil, it's up to you.
I say soil plants finish faster, i mean when i grow them. Why, because they stress of root bound very fast and flower in a hurry to perpetuate the strain, i guess, like in Morocco mountains.

I kinda like that 'root bound' thinking, JL.

EDIT: sorry x2 Pet..