[PetFlora]

Originally Posted by Dislexus

Very defensive of you PetFlora -- Why? That's peculiarly strong reaction.

What exactly was absurd, besides my intentionally absurd joke? Didn't Phaeton call out the thread creator as a paid shill in the second post of this thread? Didn't you yourself question the thread creator's statement as well? Check the first page for recollection. On top of it there have been barely-used and even new accounts shilling in this thread. If a brand is using such sleezy and clumsily transparent guerilla marketing tactics, I simply don't trust them and won't buy their shit.

Was it my "Bribe longtime members with extensive post histories like everybody else" joke statement that made you react defensively? It wasn't directed at you, very strange that you would feel that it was PF.

I stand by my previous reply

[FunkBomb]

The largest organic herb producer in the USA switched over to Fluence LED lights for a reason. If you want proof go look at the pictures and interviews on the website.

-Funk

[clown baby]

Not sure if its already been mentioned, but if you want to see fluence lights in action, look up @teamterpene on instagram. They use fluence bioengineering leds and are killing it. Didn't believe they were using LEDs at first. it's pretty impressive.

[Muleskinner]

Originally Posted by FunkBomb

The largest organic herb producer in the USA switched over to Fluence LED lights for a reason. If you want proof go look at the pictures and interviews on the website.

-Funk

or just look at the PAR specs and spectral diagrams on the Fluence website. I'll summarize for you: 2.3 umol/J. The various cheesy cannabis-industry lamps don't even provide specs for their lights.

[pinkus]

Just sticking my head in. I have been running some Illimitex units for about 4-5 years now and I am quite happy with the results. I don't really like that they are panels and am hoping to move over to "single point source" lighting, like the Starlite Helios units. I may go the DIY route, but i'm an old dude. LOL

[chomsky]

Originally Posted by Muleskinner

or just look at the PAR specs and spectral diagrams on the Fluence website. I'll summarize for you: 2.2 umol/J. The various cheesy cannabis-industry lamps don't even provide specs for their lights.

I'm still loving mine. The yield and quality are every bit as good even better than HID. I'm on my 5th round with the SpydrX plus and they have lost zero strength. These are better than HID IN EVERY WAY IN MY OPINION.

[Muleskinner]

Originally Posted by chomsky

I'm still loving mine. The yield and quality are every bit as good even better than HID. I'm on my 5th round with the SpydrX plus and they have lost zero strength. These are better than HID IN EVERY WAY IN MY OPINION.

better in every way except price of course! But you get what you pay for.

[Ledsicon]

Originally Posted by Muleskinner

or just look at the PAR specs and spectral diagrams on the Fluence website. I'll summarize for you: 2.2 umol/J. The various cheesy cannabis-industry lamps don't even provide specs for their lights.

I like and would love owning a bml/fluence or whatever their called but 2, 2micrompules/joule is techsheet and not many are over 2 but i can name several better ppfd pr dollar ppfd/w and actually im mo longer setteling with lights under 2 at least from now on.

Idk if the brands are relevant or allowed to name here for various reasons..?

But it is lights at 2, 4-2, 6 now though not alot of them..

I thought you where amaretech loyal @petflora, u use bml or fluence neosol or those fixtures now? ?
I didnt think you would ever stop using victors products.

I remember everyone jealous of amaretech bashing on you while regarding white light tech lol
Now all serious brands admit he was right or atleast makes similar fixtures..

Peace fellow growers

[Ledsicon]

Originally Posted by Phaeton

First off, I have a bias against 'white' LEDs. The phosphors are the same as in fluorescent bulbs but LEDs use blue to fluoresce the phosphors and mercury fluorescents use UV to fluoresce the phosphors.
The phosphors for deeps red do not fluoresce with blue, causing the 'white' LED put out very little red past 611 nm.
If a red supplement is needed anyway then why not start fresh and use what functions for the plant instead of what pleases the human eye.
That said..

I have not found any LED that does everything I would like.

Black Dog has excellent spectrum and will out grow an equivalent CMH by a slight margin. I used 400 watts versus 400 watts. The Black Dog would do better if it did not scatter so much light.
But still, it will out grow CMH and has no bulbs to change.
If you are current running stand alone HPS you will notice a week to ten day earlier harvest with the spectrum put out by Black Dog.

Second choice is Advanced Diamond XTE series. Advanced makes several series of lights, the XTE has the good spectrum and intensity.
The light is focused and the footprint is less than the Black Dog. The smaller footprint means a smaller plant. Even so, using two XTE's against two CMH's was almost an even match with 670 watts making better cola's but 800 watts making more total weight.

Platinum has too much red with both switches on and almost enough red with just the veg switch. Good in veg mode but leaving half the power unused.

Hydrogrow has major warranty problems and units that need warranty due to poor quality control. Otherwise they would be up there with Black Dog. The diode failure rate ran 15% per year on the two years I kept records. Ouch.

ILS, Intelligent Light Source, is good for clones. It is more than good, it is stupendous for clones with four programmed spectrums plus custom, and four intensity levels. Far Red has it's own level control, as do red and blue. It will take any strain and make it do it's best up to 12" tall. I have two of the 300 watt (4') and six of the 150 watt (2').
These are perfect T5 replacements and I also use them for side lighting. Not for budding though.

Inexpensive panels and screw in bulb arrays I tried did not work, but there are hundreds of cheapies and I only tried three.

I also only tried those five brands of large lights. Most brands were eliminated by their own advertising, lies took them off the list. Some told a very narrow portion of truth and counted on lack of biology education to deceive buyers.

A lot of LED units will still grow marijuana, only not as well. I use HPS as my example. HPS has no blue nor does it have deep reds, but it has been a mainstay source of light ever since the days of Mercury Vapor lamps. Different techniques for different lights.

When I help set up gardens in my area I always enthusiastically go with whatever light is chosen, the difference is small and peace of mind is large.

In my own garden I am quite opinionated and any advice reflects my personal foibles.

The thumbnail is a pair of Black Dogs, a pair of CMHs, an LED sidelight, A hanging Far Red bulb, and the back of a T5, which has the UVB.
I am not happy with any single light, it takes a combo to replace the sun.

I disagree bigtime about blackdog either bd-u 450 or phytomax or phytomax 2... overpriced no clue about their own bins used and ridiculous false claims but so does advanced , platinum, kind, clw and more "good" brands..

But thats just my opinion after loosings thousands too snakeoil brands. Oh and prooved too.
Im not gonna advert but please do new research fellow growers around the world before buying those brands!!

I can name 3 brands from the top of my head beating all mentioned above in avg ppfd or par/w micromoules/joule and with lower prices

[Lowellprince]

Tits and salutations. I got an led that’s not up to par and was gonna replace the cobs that r currently on it.......any suggestions???