[Jhhnn]

Originally Posted by Tp01

Great thread yall, ive been brushing up on panama because ive got 12 seedlings up from a ten pak! Were near the 35th rung Appalachia and these will be grown out in the patch. I have a couple of Qs for yall panama freeks. First I got the seeds about a year ago. Customs got the first order but since Ace runs a more then fair operation they sent me a second order and I got it! Endless thanks to Ace for your work and integrity, and Big Up to Luis for emailing me 2 million times while I stressed about my order. Ok heres the Qs.



1. whats the average outdoor finish time? I read mid October, but is it like early mid or mid late? I want to know because I'm leaving town and getting back around the 14th of oct but I can change my plans.

2. I'm thinking of dusting the ladies with a mix of pollen from all the males. Would the next generation be similar to the seeds I got from Ace?


3. I grow in native soil amended with good name brand soil with the good fungis bacteria and stuff, then feed with off the shelf veg, then bloom, I use azomite, and I cover crop with crimson clover. Will panama rock n roll on that or will she need more food?
Thanks in advance yall I have learned so much over the last few years reading in the threads

Ace says third week of October.

I get the impression that they've worked hard to stabilize Panama so F2's should be much the same as the parents. If you want some seeds & not a giant shitpile, fertilize the females early with a brush & cut the males. You'll get few immature seeds that way. Cull any weak males before you do that, of course.

I'm growing some indoors now so I can't say for sure about outdoors but I get the impression that Panama is vigorous & relatively easy to grow. If you've done well with a particular method in the past then it should work fine for Panama.

[Ncali]

The current Panama release are not f1, so the resulting generation will NOT be f2s. This is a very worked and stabilized line. I might expect pretty consistent progeny from Panama parents, pending your selection of course. Very excellent genetic line.

[Jhhnn]

Originally Posted by Ncali

The current Panama release are not f1, so the resulting generation will NOT be f2s. This is a very worked and stabilized line. I might expect pretty consistent progeny from Panama parents, pending your selection of course. Very excellent genetic line.

So what do you call the first homegrown generation of seeds from a stabilized line if not f2's?

[OlDirtyHuman]

12.5 weeks from clone.
Just about done.
I've got another clone that'll have plenty of time to get big before there's room in the flower tent.
I'm going to go from 400w to 600w by then too so I'll see how she does with a little more light.

[Ncali]

Gorgeous plant!

Originally Posted by Jhhnn

So what do you call the first homegrown generation of seeds from a stabilized line if not f2's?

Whatever filial generation is next I suppose. You can inquire as to the current filial generation used in breeding from Dubi It depends on current or old stock, fem vs reg breeding programs etc.

F1, f2 etc are descriptors from Mendel's experiment. If you're curious to where to look for more info I'm sorry I don't have better info for yah, was more pointing out those Panama aren't f1 seeds for sale


NC

[WaterFarmFan]

Originally Posted by Ncali

The current Panama release are not f1, so the resulting generation will NOT be f2s. This is a very worked and stabilized line. I might expect pretty consistent progeny from Panama parents, pending your selection of course. Very excellent genetic line.

I grew out an entire pack of Panama and found 3 different phenos. One was shorter and branchier with crazy dense nugs that stack hard with near endless reflowering, and I call her Chunk and was among my highest yielding ever. 2nd is one that I call Goddess pheno with more spear shaped colas, stretchier with longer node spacing and nice hybrid growth characteristics. 3rd was Red pheno with lankier growth and more traditional sativa growth patterns. All shared similar floral notes but different high effects.

Dubi likes to use multiple males for his regular lines to provide the widest possible expression of these complex genetics. I think those males are highly worked but are different in breeding traits (or they would not be used). Thus, different phenos would be (Pan F x Pan M1, Pan F x Pan M2 & Pan F x Pan M3) perhaps or also could be different expressions from just (Pan F x Pan M1).

I recently collected pollen from two different Panama males, that I assume would fall into one of the three categories that I found in the females. I selected these 2 males from 5-6 based on different traits in veg. I plan to make seeds, which I would consider F2s, of Panamas using my 2x males and 3x females, which will obviously yield 6 versions of Panama x Panama. A couple of males and females might be closely related (almost identical twins but with slight variations) that might have different breeding and offspring characteristics, but these are my selections, which I think all have different dominant expressions.

[WaterFarmFan]

Panama is such an awesome strain. It is either love it or hate it, and those don't like it seem to say things like "is this laced?" or "that is way to strong". It simply kicks their ass because they smoke too much. It is not an everyday, all day smoke, but I love a bowl before I have something fun to do. Not the best for trying to concentrate, as your head sometimes feels like it is in a bit of a vice...

[Tp01]

Thanks for the replies yall. I'm stoked to see these plants in person. Ill post some pics in a month or so. Till then were haulin amendments, fillin jugs and digging holes. Hope everyone gets a good start on this season.

[Jhhnn]

Originally Posted by WaterFarmFan

I grew out an entire pack of Panama and found 3 different phenos. One was shorter and branchier with crazy dense nugs that stack hard with near endless reflowering, and I call her Chunk and was among my highest yielding ever. 2nd is one that I call Goddess pheno with more spear shaped colas, stretchier with longer node spacing and nice hybrid growth characteristics. 3rd was Red pheno with lankier growth and more traditional sativa growth patterns. All shared similar floral notes but different high effects.

Dubi likes to use multiple males for his regular lines to provide the widest possible expression of these complex genetics. I think those males are highly worked but are different in breeding traits (or they would not be used). Thus, different phenos would be (Pan F x Pan M1, Pan F x Pan M2 & Pan F x Pan M3) perhaps or also could be different expressions from just (Pan F x Pan M1).

I recently collected pollen from two different Panama males, that I assume would fall into one of the three categories that I found in the females. I selected these 2 males from 5-6 based on different traits in veg. I plan to make seeds, which I would consider F2s, of Panamas using my 2x males and 3x females, which will obviously yield 6 versions of Panama x Panama. A couple of males and females might be closely related (almost identical twins but with slight variations) that might have different breeding and offspring characteristics, but these are my selections, which I think all have different dominant expressions.

Yes. Thank you. That makes sense.

[sdd420]

I believe that it’s now f10 at least. It’s a worked line for sure. I’ll be growing it this summer outdoors for the first time now that we are legal here. And I will be watching you all so good luck!