[jumpincactus]

Originally Posted by sogman

Mmmm.... panama red! So this is what had the older generations blitzed out ey.
Their always crying about how good acapulco gold and panama red were.

We werent cryin in those days friend. We had shit eatn grins from ear to ear. Too bad you couldnt have been there.

[ULMW]

Getting near to harvest time. Couple weeks left.

[dubi]

It's a pleasure to see such nice results from so many growers about Panama.

Seems all the breeding efforts i've been doing with line since 2008, but especially since 2013, have had a quite positive impact in the line, i haven't had a single complaint about Panama (neither from the regular or fem releases) for years.
The line has been refined and inbred until F10-F11 generations, yet keeping great vigour and yield, and of course very high resin content, excellent and complex lemony incensey terpenes, great effects, excellent indoor adaptability, moderate flowering time and of course the beauty of the red/pinkish phenos, etc ... which is not easy to achieve after so many generations of inbreeding. But we shouldn't forget the superb breeding job that Greengrocer and Charlie Garcia did in the first breeding steps of the line

Originally Posted by Wellandwitham

I had a little tester of Panama yesterday and it was absolutely diamond. Really clear, active not stoned at all. Felt more like speed at times lol That's how I lik my Sats. Nice bit of lime coming through on the smoke as well. I know that some strains keep pumping pistils or the trichs don't tend to amber as much as others. I'll keep her going for at least another week and take some more tester, or the the odd branch to get a decent spread.

Peace

Hi Wellandwitham

I'm glad you have had such a positive experience with your Panama, she is indeed beautiful, resinous and sticky, good yielding and your description of the aromas are tempting Happy to hear she delivers desirable clear and stimulating effects of your taste. Enjoy her!

[dubi]

Originally Posted by Pepé The Grower

I beg to differ with you on some points akira... but especially the bag appeal, more mature buds means more resin with larger bracts and i can't see how it would affect bag appeal negatively...Pure sativa shouldn't be more stoney if harvested late, just less racy but more tasty and longer lasting high than immature buds. This said these panama are not pure sativa in my book.

pictures of the 15 weeker, as you can see the resin glands doesn't seems to be overmatured, they're still white ( sorry for the shitty blurry pictures):

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Hi Pepe,

What a beautiful Panama Thanks for sharing pictures of her with us. I respect a lot your gardening skills, especially with sativas, so your feedback is always appreciated.

Panama is indeed a pure sativa. Take in mind that Panama has been bred for so many many generation and there have been huge breeding efforts to tame the original tropical Panama genetics until reach the current tamed traits/state of this Panama line. Indeed it's amazing how the line has been improved in all senses for modern indoor standards and for outdoors growing in non tropical latitudes.

I'm not sure what Panama generation/release did you grow, but our current ACE Panama releases rarely need more than 13 weeks to finish properly.

[dubi]

Originally Posted by akirabull

View Image that was a green panama example of forever reflowering harvested a week after this at 12,5 11-13 for 11week and 10-14 for the rest . down a little pice of that bud after 8 month cured . at week 10.5 has a different shape littler harder buds with a strong scent of lemmon .at harvest was a complex green haze with earthy tones and a little reminiscent of a lemmon cake. buds are huge but is a really fluffy hairy fox tail. difference with high is that at 10 week was enjoyable and happy , after change to a clean complex heavy introspective...but after all both are enough good to be happy.

Amazing Panama cola akirabull
Glad you found such a nice and high yielding green Panama pheno with high quality hazy lemony terpenes and effects of your taste.
Wish she stays in your lineup for a long time. Enjoy her!

[dubi]

Originally Posted by OnceUpon

heres a llittle final summary of my different panama regular girls

Girl 1 (winner): green hairs at harvest, solid round flowers, great flower/leaf ratio, incense smell, slower of the 2 @ 11 weeks flowering, great yeild. smooth smoke and best of all a unique trippy dense long lasting sativa effect. almost too much for some

Girl 2: Red hairs, pointed flower tops. , average flower/leaf ratio, a much more familliar lemon/ganja smell, quicker finish @ 10 ish weeks, woodier smoke with a much more "indica" feel of regular duration.

girl one was a wow plant, very different long lasting effect without significant come down

girl 2 is great smoke. just not the unique lady her sister is

Hi OnceUpon

Thanks also for sharing your feedback about the 2 (green and red) Panama phenos you have grown. Your experience and descriptions (despite being short) are pretty accurate

[dubi]

Originally Posted by 48N

I grew 6 Panamas in the past, FIVE of them were female, they were a little bit seeded by the male
They ranged from mainly green to red
I preferred the clearer green phenos, the red ones were nice but stoney, good for the evening or a hot summer day when you got time to chill in the shade
My climate and them being lightly seeded also affected the high I guess, at least the strength
Next year I didn't plan to grow them again but in spring while still pretty cold one seed sprouted in the garden so I decided this was a sign and I kept it
This was a red pheno as well but the first red pheno that I liked more
I think it was most related to the panama red hair part of the hybrid
The structure of the buds and so many red hairs, it just looked like the pictures I've seen on icmag about panama red hair
The high wasn't as stoney but had a warm glow, body and mind, very functional and sociable compared to the more stoney red panama phenos, like covering you in a blanket of feel good
It was my favourite panama so far
In the future I might try to breed some of the green panamas to the peachy incensey Tikal
The most characteristic strength of the panama is it's nice dreamy but awake effect combined with its nice flavours, all of them tasted great
And its great strength, vigour, strong branches
I guess the land of origin isn't as important as the degree the line has been adapted
And the panama been adapted very well
They finished for me at the beginning of November/end of October at 48N, I guess not as strong as in Spain but million times better than all the weed I could buy
At least as strong as the nep jam(which is better adapted to my climate, finishes a lot earlier)
Altough I find them hard to compare because the effects are pretty different (nep jam high is very centered, panama not centered at all, more free flowing)

Originally Posted by 48N

Another thing to add:
The way the panama cures up is just perfect!
I cobbed the red pheno I liked so much and after 3-5 months the buds just fell of the stick
And the stick split up in its fibers and became really soft and bendable
A very smooth smoke which lays gently on the lungs almost caressing your lungs

Hi 48N,

Excellent, detailed and accurate descriptions of your experience with your Panamas.
I concur with you in all senses.

I also prefer the green Panama phenos if i want to experience the more uplifting, clear and social effects of the strain. The red phenos (as we have explained several times in this thread) tend to deliver more dreamy, narcotic, introspective effects and makes your eyes very red, it makes you feel very hungry too so it's good as a medicine for those who need to increase their appetite. The more narcotic Panama red effect has nothing to do with the possible indica influence in the line, as old Panama red sativa lines were/are highly related to Colombian red sativas, which most of them also produce a quite sedative effect, but they are still 100 % sativas.

And a cross between the lemony incensey Panama Goddess (F10) and our selected Tikal peach incensey pheno (F5) is something i also have in mind for a long time

I also concur you about Panama curing, she really needs at least 3 months of proper curing so her terpene profile fully shines.

[dubi]

Originally Posted by KenAbyss

Greetings from The Great White North! I believe this is my first post, and I hope you get your money's worth. I recently planted a couple of seeds from my first order with Ace, back around New Year's. Surprise! The Panama Standard seed produced two seedlings (makes up for the fact, I guess, the Golden Tiger seed I planted didn't germinate at all). I'm thinking of letting the roots develop and then separating the two seedlings and putting them in separate pots.

Anyone run into this before? Any thoughts on what might happen? I'm guessing since the seedlings are from one seed, they're identical. Then again, that's not always the case with humans. I'm wondering, assuming they both live, if I might end up with two different phenotypes, or even if one could be female and the other male?

Thanks to all contributors to this thread. I've been lurking for a while, gleaning info from the 200-some pages for this grow. It's only the second time I will have tried growing a sativa (I grew someone's homemade Columbian x Acapulco last year, with poor results), but I've been growing indicas successfuly for the past six years (400 watt HPS flowering chamber; coco coir in hempy buckets; 200 watt CFL grow bulb in a small chamber for clones).

Welcome KenAbyss,

I'm glad to hear you took the time to read the whole thread, there are tons of useful and valuable info in this thread, thanks to the contributions of many growers.

It's rare that 2 plants came out from a single seed, but not impossible, in this case usually one grows faster than her twin, so in case both are growing with similar vigor maybe they come from 2 different seeds.

How was their development since then ? If you post recent pics hopefully we can help you to really know whether they are twins or not.

[dubi]

Originally Posted by Azure

Took this Panama clone from her outdoor mum.
She has a red stem. Could this indicate a Red pistil pheno?
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Hi Azure,

Usually the Panamas with red stems have higher chances to produce red/pink pistiled females but not necessarily. Remember that the red/pink pistil Panama trait is always more evident when Panama is flowered outdoors, only the very red phenos will show red pistils indoors.

Wish your clone is currently growing happily

[dubi]

Originally Posted by Maka

Panama June 24

Wow Maka,

What a growth on your Panama!
It has the potential to be the Panama beast of this season
How is she currently doing ? Already starting to flower ?
Please, keep us updated if you have the chance. Best wishes!