[ganjabrother]

Now those plants are sooo sexy! Should be a damn fine smoke fo sho!

[patolunga2]

amazing the panama lines!!

i have just grown jamaica x panama, that is a great sativa.. fast hitting, a strong high.. and is so damn tasty... ear that you will work on the jamaica x panama.. good luck with it.. is soo good that for sure everyone that will grow it will love it...

and grow some alpuja x panama that actually get full seeded thniking that was a male..and puttin she between them .... the result is tall resinous big budded girl

but i just love the look of the panama... looks soo tasty!!

raco!! nice panama! looks soo good
that indoors cut wow..so fast and so frosty! also love that colombian jeje

happy growing all!!

buenos humos

patolunga.

Hello friends,

Forgot to post here the results of the Panama red.

It was grown in a 0.9 x 0.9 m x 2m setup under 430W HPS setup with automatic watering and 250m3/h venting. The results are good according to the friend. It needs a long curing to reveal full potential. There are thousands of seeds because he had 23 females but there are still buds free of them so he will be able to sample good stuff for the smoke report

The friend is now running the Jamaican lambsbread. 35 seedlings are on the road (100% germ rate), that will be a great grow for me because this friend is really able to reach the top on pure sativas indoor so I'll learn more on this strain. The 35 seedlings are from my reproduction with original seeds, a small reproduction between 1 male and 9 females. There are some hermies in the line. If his report of the P2 is the same as mine with P1, I'll reproduce again the strain with my original P1 seeds and we will try something.

Good vibes, landrace lovers !

l_m

You are enjoying mm jeje You know how much friends can miss you somewhere LM... I cant thank you enough for all your energy, inspiration and labour in theorical and practical terms. My respects my friend

Although unuseless to tell you, only remark here how important is to make best and largest reproduction form first batchs of seeds which came from original sources to keep the best intact genepool, apart for stabilizing, cleaning, etc later those lines. We know now how easy they can dissapear

best

Thanks you Charlie , have a good one

Yes you're right, the one that wants to use landrace should remember two things:

- try to maintain the diversity, which is not easy especially if you have not much seeds to start

- remember that there is a reason why professionnal breeders exist: this kind of strains is often not as potent as the modern hybrid. Not all individuals are adapted to indoor ! Don't expect to have a homogenous 'quick to finish - productive - potent' strain if you grow to preserve diversity.

So if you catch a landrace to make your own selection, unless you can grow more than 50 individuals of the same strain at a time, I think you'd spend better your money in a breeder's work, because there is a lot of work before obtaining a 'calibrated' product. See for examples the differences between this Panama red and the ACE Panama, in which this P. red participates.

Let's also mention that landraces have usually a very particular type of high, with defaults in it. That is what makes their charm (because their qualities are really strong !) but also there is the fact you can be bored with it after a while. Hybrids may show more complex high, or more adapted to different 'set and settings'. This is also a thing you can retrieve when you have both Jamaican BM'85 and Canela to smoke. Most of my friend recognized immediately the JBM but they recognized the Canela, while keeping the best aspects of the high of the JBM, enhanced it in some way with the other parental line.

partial opinion, but part of it is from experience

Great point Little_man

Bare

[Bacchus]

Originally Posted by little_man

....- remember that there is a reason why professionnal breeders exist: this kind of strains is often not as potent as the modern hybrid. Not all individuals are adapted to indoor ! Don't expect to have a homogenous 'quick to finish - productive - potent' strain if you grow to preserve diversity.

So if you catch a landrace to make your own selection, unless you can grow more than 50 individuals of the same strain at a time, I think you'd spend better your money in a breeder's work, because there is a lot of work before obtaining a 'calibrated' product. See for examples the differences between this Panama red and the ACE Panama, in which this P. red participates.

...

Some excellent points. Mucho Mucho respect to the breeders who take the time to search out and find these strains and then take the time to refine them into easy to grow hybrids for the average grower.

[Raco]

This ACE Panama rocks!!

the other top is Spanish Blaze

[patolunga2]

WOW raco!! that panama bud looks killer...



happy smokes everyone!

patolunga

[ngakpa]

Originally Posted by little_man

this kind of strains is often not as potent as the modern hybrid.

Let's also mention that landraces have usually a very particular type of high, with defaults in it. That is what makes their charm (because their qualities are really strong !) but also there is the fact you can be bored with it after a while. Hybrids may show more complex high, or more adapted to different 'set and settings'.

hmmmm glad you didn't use anything stronger than "often" and "may" there, as I think those are some very questionable generalisations i.e. with regard to the high/experiential side of things

there are a lot of very one dimensional and unchallenging hybrids out there, and a lot of killer landrace cultivars...

I don't want to sidetrack the thread - but I just spent a few days smoking some bricked Thai and some NL#5 x Haze from a cut... now as with everyone I would be very suprised if the NL#5 x Haze did not have higher THC... but as for which one got me higher and more fucked up, and which one lasted longer... well they both got me out of my tree from one bowl... but which high had more depth and more bite? well, I think I would have to say the Thai... maybe I am just prejudiced, I don't know

anyway, I'm patiently awaiting my ACE Panama order from seedboutique... seems to be taking its time though...