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Xanode · 10-31-2015, 04:48 PM

Im trying to get the bubble cloner thing down but nothing is happening.

I have everything setup right but don't have it under a dedicated light on a timer. The stay healthy, never wilt(even after the chop) and just sit there in suspended animation. I've got a couple that have sat this way now going on near 3 months(with a bit of yellowing ofcoarse).

Water temp: 80 deg all times(heat mat)
Straight tap water changed weekly
Some stems in water, some out, doesn't make a lick of difference in my case.
Water stays relatively clean, no slime.

Other clones from this mother will root in 8 day in jiffy's.

They callus up then nothing happens.

The clones are cut from mothers on a strict 18/6 cycle.

As clones dont need much light, the cloner is just sitting on the floor in a room where the lights are turned on and off sporadically during the night and it gets indirect sun during the day.

Does cutting them from mothers on a strict light cycle and putting them into a cloner that essentially doesn't have a light cycle fuck with them rooting somehow?

Thanks for any help.

DemonTrich · 10-31-2015, 05:34 PM

get rid of the heat mat. the bubble cloners pump will add enough heat to the water. highest water temp should be no more than 80*. I like mine from 75-79* and 77* ambient temp under a 2 bulb 4' t12 about 1' away from the tops. change water every 7 days, and use TAP water ONLY ph to 6.2-6.5. and put it on an 18/6 timer (light only, not the bubbler). I put my bubbler on my concrete floor, so it helps keeps temps below 80.

2 weeks max on any of my 7 strains and I have good roots. 4 days later and Im pottin in solo cups.

10-31-2015, 05:39 PM

I had the same thing happen with an ezclone. Lost 2 cycles till I figured out that there was not enough humidity to get them to root. Callused stems all day... Put a dome on that thing or add a humidifier if your RH is low...

DemonTrich · 10-31-2015, 05:43 PM

a dome is not needed with an aero/bubble cloner. the cuts get ALL their needed moisture uptake from the water below. use domes when putting cuts in mediums, not cloners.

10-31-2015, 05:51 PM

Not from my experience. Low rh and I'm talking low like 20% or less like in the winter will stall roots. Not arguing just trying to help...

Xanode · 10-31-2015, 06:18 PM

thanks for the reply's fella's, ive put a dome on, it cant hurt anyhow... at this point ill try anything.

Any more advice is very welcome.

Xanode · 11-02-2015, 11:09 PM

So the sporadic light cycle wouldn't be messing with them somehow? Thanks

11-03-2015, 01:23 PM

I wouldn't think so. Best move I made was Schultz rooting powder, a tray and dome with root riot plugs. Nearly 100% success with this method over the course of 3 years. I use a heat mat with a themostat and set on 78 for the winter when temps drop.

Xanode · 11-03-2015, 02:28 PM

i have no problem rooting in jiffy's, coco or even soil and the such. I just like the challenge of getting bubble cloning to work. Clones cut from same mother plant and put in jiffys in a crib in the mothers tent root in 7-8 days.

I have now placed it in the mothers tent which is on a light cycle, so when the clones are cut they don't experience any change in light cycle, air temp and humidity what so ever.

Also added a dome.
humidity with dome 99%
So air temps are around, 82deg
Water temp is 80deg
18/6 light cycle(cfl)
tap water with ph 7, 100 ppm

If i don't see results with the new changes im thinking it must be my tap water?

Thanks again for any help.

CosmicCharlie · 11-03-2015, 03:33 PM

Do you let the tap water sit uncovered for a day so the chlorine can off-gas?

10-31-2015, 04:48 PM	#1
Xanode Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	Bubble cloner FAIL, light schedule question. Im trying to get the bubble cloner thing down but nothing is happening. I have everything setup right but don't have it under a dedicated light on a timer. The stay healthy, never wilt(even after the chop) and just sit there in suspended animation. I've got a couple that have sat this way now going on near 3 months(with a bit of yellowing ofcoarse). Water temp: 80 deg all times(heat mat) Straight tap water changed weekly Some stems in water, some out, doesn't make a lick of difference in my case. Water stays relatively clean, no slime. Other clones from this mother will root in 8 day in jiffy's. They callus up then nothing happens. The clones are cut from mothers on a strict 18/6 cycle. As clones dont need much light, the cloner is just sitting on the floor in a room where the lights are turned on and off sporadically during the night and it gets indirect sun during the day. Does cutting them from mothers on a strict light cycle and putting them into a cloner that essentially doesn't have a light cycle fuck with them rooting somehow? Thanks for any help.
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10-31-2015, 05:34 PM	#2
DemonTrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,088	get rid of the heat mat. the bubble cloners pump will add enough heat to the water. highest water temp should be no more than 80. I like mine from 75-79 and 77* ambient temp under a 2 bulb 4' t12 about 1' away from the tops. change water every 7 days, and use TAP water ONLY ph to 6.2-6.5. and put it on an 18/6 timer (light only, not the bubbler). I put my bubbler on my concrete floor, so it helps keeps temps below 80. 2 weeks max on any of my 7 strains and I have good roots. 4 days later and Im pottin in solo cups.
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10-31-2015, 05:39 PM	#3
Mr.Doe Guest Posts: n/a	I had the same thing happen with an ezclone. Lost 2 cycles till I figured out that there was not enough humidity to get them to root. Callused stems all day... Put a dome on that thing or add a humidifier if your RH is low...
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10-31-2015, 05:43 PM	#4
DemonTrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,088	a dome is not needed with an aero/bubble cloner. the cuts get ALL their needed moisture uptake from the water below. use domes when putting cuts in mediums, not cloners.
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10-31-2015, 05:51 PM	#5
Mr.Doe Guest Posts: n/a	Not from my experience. Low rh and I'm talking low like 20% or less like in the winter will stall roots. Not arguing just trying to help...
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10-31-2015, 06:18 PM	#6
Xanode Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	thanks for the reply's fella's, ive put a dome on, it cant hurt anyhow... at this point ill try anything. Any more advice is very welcome.
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11-02-2015, 11:09 PM	#7
Xanode Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	So the sporadic light cycle wouldn't be messing with them somehow? Thanks
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11-03-2015, 01:23 PM	#8
Mr.Doe Guest Posts: n/a	I wouldn't think so. Best move I made was Schultz rooting powder, a tray and dome with root riot plugs. Nearly 100% success with this method over the course of 3 years. I use a heat mat with a themostat and set on 78 for the winter when temps drop.
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11-03-2015, 02:28 PM	#9
Xanode Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 161	i have no problem rooting in jiffy's, coco or even soil and the such. I just like the challenge of getting bubble cloning to work. Clones cut from same mother plant and put in jiffys in a crib in the mothers tent root in 7-8 days. I have now placed it in the mothers tent which is on a light cycle, so when the clones are cut they don't experience any change in light cycle, air temp and humidity what so ever. Also added a dome. humidity with dome 99% So air temps are around, 82deg Water temp is 80deg 18/6 light cycle(cfl) tap water with ph 7, 100 ppm If i don't see results with the new changes im thinking it must be my tap water? Thanks again for any help.
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11-03-2015, 03:33 PM	#10
CosmicCharlie Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Inner space Posts: 534	Do you let the tap water sit uncovered for a day so the chlorine can off-gas?
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