[friendly530]

from what i was told they have owned land in nor cal for years

[bigbadbiddy]

What I find most interesting in all this is how the cannabis community will react to Monsanto et al entering "the game".

We already know that Monsanto has purchased a large interest in General Hydroponics.

I was expecting a huge outcry and boycott of GH products by the cannabis community. And there was, some.

But I had to dig a little and search until I found out that Monsanto is affiliated with GH. It is not like this is public and common knowledge apparently.

So I turned my back on GH and won't be using any of their products.
But it seems to me that many if not most do not share my sentiment and do not care to the same degree. GH products are still widely used and will likely continue to be as their Floramicro and Florabloom are among the cheapest available mineral fertilizers for cannabis out there. The Lucas Formula exists and is very inviting to new growers just "entering the game". Heck I was going to use it for its simplicity and it suggest GH products as its base.

In the coming years big tobacco and companies like Monsanto will continue to try and get their filthy fingers into the industry.

And I truly, truly wonder how our community will react.


The best analogy I could come up with is this:
It is like the abusive father that used to hit and torture us all childhood and forbidding us everything we enjoy, punishing us severely with more abuse if we didn't honor his "rules".
Then he split and left us with mom for years only checking back in occasionally to see if we broke any of his rules and punishing us if we did.

Then, decades later, he shows up again. We just won the lottery and now he suddenly wants to be part of our life again and he is "all organic now ya know?"...
All those transgressions from the past... forget about them.

During his years away from the family he has handled huge amounts of cash and run big corporations, he knows how to handle wealth, how to invest, he has the connections and the infrastructure, we should really hand those lottery winnings and the family's fortune over to him as he is by far the best suited to manage it all. In our interest of course more than his. Obviously, duh.



My expectation?
The children won't forgive dad and will want to make that bastard suffer and end up homeless in the dirt, just like he did to us.

But the mums probably are too much of an irrational and soft-hearted bitch to go through with it. Will forgive him and give him another chance "just to see if he changed ya know?".
Then that motherfucker will buy her a new car from the "interest he created investing the family fortune" and she will be convinced that he changed and is now a good guy. No, he always was. Just the circumstances ya know? Peer pressure and such...

Excuses...


And 10 years later, Monsanto will patent the first cannabis strains and aim to control our medical and recreational supplies just as they are trying with our food supply.

Brave new world.

[WelderDan]

Tobacco is far more labor intensive to grow than cannabis. Cannabis will grow in a much wider range of climates than what tobacco will. Producing cannabis would be considerably cheaper than tobacco. Cannabis commands a higher price per given weight than tobacco.

Tobacco companies already have the means to process and package large amounts of plant matter.

If cannabis goes legal, you bet your ass tobacco companies will jump in. $$$$ Cha-ching baby.

Ha! I didn't realize I already posted in this thread. Oh well, said pretty much the same thing

[coldcanna]

The limiting factor I believe is that the majority of states with agricultural climates are in the south and I really don't see them being part of any legalization efforts. And if they did magically come around and have plantations of dope, it would most likely replace the Mexican outs, not anything high quality so its not like an american career pot grower is going to be replaced by mass produced shwagg because that product is already in our markets and we aren't making it as it is.

Just trying to be optimistic here. The millennial generation is in a major way responsible for the rise of craft beer, which seems to be a good comparison to fine pot. As long as the consumers continue to support the craft industry and we watch it grow exponentially then I think there is hope. Somebody else said to vote with your dollars and I couldn't put it any better myself.

[Bwanabud]

I agree ^^^ but feel a large company like PM will take advantage of indoor technology, and not deal with the wrath of mother nature on their cash crop. They have far more funds and political power than all of us, and will get the cheapest power rates along with bulk purchasing nutrients...they will change/ruin the market for the rest of us.

[Payaso]

Years ago I recall Firesign Theater parodying the future of cannabis cigarettes with filters and fancy packaging with marketing jingles... now it is becoming a reality.

[Slipnot]

Personally with the way the movement is going a person needs a good marketing strategy and that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars which most stoners do not have ,,
So who has that money of course corporations So were left with them taking a big junk or percentage out of your product ,, banks are not going to lend money to you
so your stuck with loan sharks , or just getting bent over

I said this all along there is going to be huge changes in state laws over the next few years as corporate companies take over all the business of MJ and eventually bump everyone out its fact think of it as a 5 - 8 year experiment you have been the Guinni pigs

We the people will never have it our way as fast as they allowed it is as fast as they will take it away
Truly speaking the government will never allow the people to have control of anything Never will that happen

[dansbuds]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

The limiting factor I believe is that the majority of states with agricultural climates are in the south and I really don't see them being part of any legalization efforts. And if they did magically come around and have plantations of dope, it would most likely replace the Mexican outs, not anything high quality so its not like an american career pot grower is going to be replaced by mass produced shwagg because that product is already in our markets and we aren't making it as it is.

Just trying to be optimistic here. The millennial generation is in a major way responsible for the rise of craft beer, which seems to be a good comparison to fine pot. As long as the consumers continue to support the craft industry and we watch it grow exponentially then I think there is hope. Somebody else said to vote with your dollars and I couldn't put it any better myself.

i agree !!! the tobacco companys will take over alot of the growing for commercial product , but it will be just that , commercial grown bud . if you want the high quality stuff it will be from Craft growers like ourselves . it will more than likely be an underground market like it is now , but you'll never get high quality bud from a commercial grow op !!!

[Del_9_THC]

Well, I dunno.

I hate see the big evil pedlars of death get involved in cannabis, but if they think money can be made they will muscle in.

Although I see this as a big negative, One thing that might push legalization is getting big business behind ganja. They have already bought all the politicians, so you know that when they say "jump" senators, congressmen, mp's, and the like will do their bidding.

Who knows?

[bigbadbiddy]

It probably is a necessary evil to let these big corps into the market even after all they did to us and the plant itself.

It will indeed benefit the continued spread of legalization, I would even go as far as saying it is necessary for it.

I am pretty sure money (currently tax dollars) is the driving force behind the legalization movement. And it will continue to be because that's the world we have constructed and live in today.

My hope is that after these big businesses have made some money, pushed into the market and bribed governments to legalize it everywhere, the market ("us") will make them pay.

Once it has been legalized everywhere, we sure as fuck don't need those bastards anymore and I would love nothing more than Monsanto etc. stock prices crashing down after a world wide campaign and boycotts against their products.

One can dream ...