hello dubi, great to see alot of the plants ive seen you post for many years now, are finally makin it to the growers.

im holdin out for the haze. seen you posted that you may release that old skool haze. when can we expect it to be available. how did that line turn out?

was followin the thread at CW, never seen the end.

CBF

[dubi]

Good day Pike!

We have been working hardly with the old haze the past year but we'll probably need 2 years more to deeply analyze the aromas, potency and highs in the descendents.

Firstly, the main goal with haze reproduction was reproduce her trying to open the genetic diversity and return fresh seeds to Oltimer, the original owner of the line.

We have saved a good amount of different females and males in clone form for future work. We made 2 haze reproductions past year, using a different male each time. 7-10 females were pollinated.

We have spent lot of work, time and energy in the project. A pure haze needs 4-5 mounths to flower, so only a reproduction takes half year.

There are 2 main phenos in the population, the 'green' and the 'purple' one, with variations inbetween. The purple pheno was more frequent in the population than expected. Aproximatly half of the plants were
'green hazes' and the other half were less or more purple.

The green pheno is very influenced by SE asian genetics.
Plants grow tall with thin stems and light green colour. The leaf is very thin and long. The flowers are similar to a thai or vietnamese but the aromas are not so citric and acrid like pure thai or nams. The aroma is like mature rancid tropical fruit, woody, ashy and spicy.

The green pheno doesnt turn dark/purple even with very cold temps.
The high in the green plants is clear visual and psychedelic. The high has no ceiling and is very progressive. Some plants are excessively electric and nervous.

The purple pheno grows and flowers quite similar to the green one. The plants grow green with no purple signs, but at late flowering the plants turned very purple (leaves, stems, flowers). Some purple females harvested outdoors finished in December/January almost black with red translucid colours in some leaves.

The fruity aromas of the purple pheno are more like grapes, not so tropical. The background is woody and ashy too. The high in the purple pheno is more physical and centered than green pheno and with more tolerance.

Most of the plants have good potency for a highly inbred line. Of course there are differences in quality and potency between females, but both phenos have high potency, being each one of different nature.

We have not seen any hermie sign in the population which is a sign of the fine selection did in the past, considering the tropical genetics involved in the haze.

As you can see in the pics, pure hazes have an extreme tropical profile.
The females start to flower at the end of september/beginning of October when the days are shorter than 12 h of light. They finished in December/January.

Some pics.

Haze 12

[dubi]

Haze 14.

This is the mix of purple/green pheno that express the hazy incensed aroma.

[dubi]

An interesting haze male flowering outdoors and a pic of the harvested pollen.

[TAG-monk]

Thrust me, i dont want to come here and hijack your work, but i dont "understand" it.

I was following the thread on CW but never posted.

What are the hope for this line? I mean...the only speciality of this line is that its less
inbred then what TheFlyingDutchmen is selling? If so, i highly doubt that you can
breed a better haze.....

Those haze's would have been special if it was the old, non-inbreded original haze. But there isn't any of those..anywhere.

I understand that beeing less inbred, those specimen can be more potent in bud form
then the +f10 of T.F.D. But before selling those seeds, you have to inbred them a
couple generations more, dont you?

Now, lets get me clear, i dont try to piss on your works, nor i want to shit on your
intention. But, if there isnt something more that i dont know about this project,..i just
dont see that as a Haze-saving project as much as a Haze-alternative project.

The original haze of the 70's is there ; Massively inbreded for the best of the best
cerebral high by Sam The Skunkman. The kind of "inbreding depression" that this line
suffer is by no mean desastrous, just make pure head dry sifted resin with a nicely
choosen O.Haze and your in for the best toke in the universe...

Anyway,..i hope i dont sound too rough. Sincerly.

[dubi]

Originally Posted by TAG-monk

What are the hope for this line? I mean...the only speciality of this line is that its less inbred then what TheFlyingDutchmen is selling? If so, i highly doubt that you can breed a better haze.....

Tag Monk, as i commented in the first post, the goal was preserve the maxium genetic diversity of the line and return fresh reproduced seeds to the original source. We are doing this work with love and passion and not thinking in others haze versions or hybrids. I think you haven't understand our intentions. We dont sell haze seeds and dont have any plan to do it.

I highly respect Sam's and FDM's work with their hazes. And i respect your opinion.

I've grown FDM's hazes and hybrids like Fuma Dios and their haze version was inbred for the green thai pheno. It's a true tropical sativa and a great work done with massive selections.

Some haze hybrids like Jack Herer and SSH express frequently the incensed hazy smell while FDM's work express more the thai citric aromas of the green haze pheno.

Breeding and selections are always personal and subjective. Haze was a polyhybrid that was not stabilized at late 70s. Each haze population and versions are different.

Our haze seeds came from the last haze reproductions done in California in the late 70s and they have a great preservation value for us.

Some people maybe prefer the strong psychedelic high with almost no tolerance of a good green haze female. Maybe others love the beautiful purple hazes buds and her more peaceful high. There other recessive phenos that should be explored too.

I personally love the incensed hazy aromas of haze and hybrids. It is probably one of the most elegant aromas it has never been bred. It's my favourite trait of her and is not expressed in all haze plants. Maybe other breeder and growers prefer other traits or expressions. It's very subjective and personal.

But what we know for sure, it's that haze has a wide genetic diversity and all expressions must be preserved.

[Raco]

Hi Pike,Dubi,everyone else,
Dubi:Great post! I love it!! :wink:
Who has seen Chaman´s pics of his Colombian Gold x the old Haze??

[TAG-monk]

Oh i see.

Well, dont mind what i said, i respect your works and intention with this project.

Good luck

thank you dubi, great info, and lovin the pics. that is a phat heavy male

hey raco

im a bit disappointed that you wont be offerin OT1s haze, thought i had read that you might. if you ever do put some out to a few growers, keep me in mind please

heres one from TomHills Haze that im holdin on to for a bit. its a Lime phenotype. very nice citrus zing. have originals, and seed i made that i hope leans to the purple columbian side from last run.




will not turn color, even with freezin temps, shes lime green all the way. we have to bring all our Haze indoors to finish here, oct its freezin and there not finished till dec.

love the haze

CBF

[Limeygreen]

So much haze porn, making me drool. Great Pics Dubi, although I have never seen a plant pic you posted look bad either.
That looks like a nice specimen there Pike!
I wish someone who had the original genes for the haze would remake it so we could have a fresh version of haze and see how it does, i.e. make the hybrid from scratch.