[Ya Dingus]

Originally Posted by sprinkl

I planted nearly 50 seeds and many were lost, completely on me though. All germed which means they are really fresh. Lost a bunch to overheating and damping off in early stages.
Only thing I can say for sure is there definitely is hybrid vigour, and I had about 7:3 male:female ratio(not blaming this on the breeder when growing only 30 seeds, people planting 4 seeds and complaining they're all male should be severely punched in the groin imho)

Other thing I can say for sure is they definitely flower early at 50N. Males shed pollen as early as halfway july(seriously rootbound). Got some females that look like they will finish by halfway september at latest.

I might give these another try next year. Though if the ratios are skewed towards male again it will be the last try. Still not blaming the breeder, but with Female Seeds company for €4/seed you also have an early flowering strain that is, IME, guaranteed quality and female(outdoors at least, indoors I have had my herm struggles with them).

I am worried about reports of low potency though. There seem to be hemp genes in several of these strains.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I too had issues with damping off which was my fault as well haha. Id have to disagree about the male/female ratios. If theres a good ratio for the whole amount of seeds then the ratio is the same even if you sprout less seeds. I've read that some strains under stress early in their lives are more likely to go male, and same with 12/12 from seed.

Originally Posted by ValleyKush

Ya dingus- Just think of it like this: plants hermi due to stress and being root bound is a type of stress. More wild genetics are less acustomed to the types of stress we put them threw, while being hardier toward whatever extreme conditions their genetic line is used to. These danish genetics have sometimes 50+ generations of being grown like a regular garden plant that probly didnt get started inside, let alone get transplanted ever or get any nutes other then happy garden soil. Keep it super simple and you will find they grow themselfs; try to force them like a regular hybrid and they generaly will tell you to fuck off.

I'm thinking that next year if I put any in pots I will just throw seeds in 5 gals and let them do their thing for bigger, later plants and do 1 gals for a spring harvest.

Sprinkl I know where your comming from. People dont have the best understanding of what 50/50 actualy means. I'm sure people have popped 100 seeds even and gotten all males purely out of chance. Its not even that low of a probability. Although I am not saying they for sure dont have a high male ratio, we just cant know from such a small breeder with little info.

I gotcha. Thanks for the background information on these. I literally could not find anything about them no matter how hard i searched. I never knew rootbounding was such an issue for outdoor strains until now having experienced it and it explained to me. Indoors I just operate a small closet and two cabinets. Before this summer the largest pot I'd used is 5 gallon so I figured if this is good for indoors then it would be fine outdoors as well and could even produce better. Wrong haha. They need much more rootspace to produce even a similar amount compared to indoors. But I'm sure the ratio changes to yielding much much more in the same root space once you get up to the hundreds of gallons of soil..

This is my second time growing outdoors. Last year I ran stock I had from indoors in 5 gallon pots and they all got to be about 6 feet tall by the end. This is why I figured the same pot size would be fine. I lost like most of that harvest to mold though. That was the reason I started to investigate seeds for my climate outdoors.

Wait so you are going to try in 5 gallon pots now all season or start them in that and then transplant in ground? And the 1 gallons for spring harvest like a sog? Can you explain more about the spring I want to try that for sure!

Originally Posted by aridbud

I've always had a high ratio of females from any of the numerous H4H strains I've grown...8-10 or so. I did find if I waited until early-mid June they performed better than starting them in May.

Understandable, Valley Kush...you do have it right on about 50/50.

Hoping for better results from those posting.

Hi Aridbud I will try starting them in early June next year as per your feedback. If I can do a early spring harvest like Valley touched on, those would finish at the right time to then start the summer batch.

Originally Posted by Fibber_Magees

Any new infos on whats going on?

Yup! All the H4H gear has been harvested and weighed. I will post the results in the next post

[Ya Dingus]

Monk B 27g This turned out to be fabulous. With this I can see that there is some good phenotypes in Monk. It's like frosty foxtail clusters that are actually kind of dense. The smell is amazing its like pine and floral and citrus sour tones. The high of all the monks is the same/similar sativa effect.

Monk S - 6 grams total haha. I don't think this pheno would be very good even if it had a lot of rootspace. The internodal spacing between each of the buds is just too much. And then the buds themselves are pure thin foxtails. It's really frosty and smells and smokes great. Nice sativa high. But yeah yield is really not there haha. Smells like Monk B but sweeter and lighter, kind of makes me think of the kind of fragrance in air fresheners.

[Ya Dingus]

Monk 2 - I didn't weigh this actually because I'm just going to turn it into hash. I was hoping it would chunk up in the end but since like all of these genetics, are basically foxtail cluster bud structure when they did chunk up they just got a little frosty and that was really it.

Leb27v2 - 24g. I was hoping for more but its okay. The awesome smell has went away in drying. I hope it comes back in time with curing. This strain isn't based totally off of foxtails. It's like chunky half foxtails. The buds make me think of swiss cheese but with like small holes and tunnels and caves throughout. It's really frosty and enjoyable.

[Ya Dingus]

mmmm somehow I broke the links. Can I get a mod to delete the above two posts?^^
Monk B 27g This turned out to be fabulous. With this I can see that there is some good phenotypes in Monk. It's like frosty foxtail clusters that are actually kind of dense. The smell is amazing its like pine and floral and citrus sour tones. The high of all the monks is the same/similar sativa effect.

Monk S - 6 grams total haha. I don't think this pheno would be very good even if it had a lot of rootspace. The internodal spacing between each of the buds is just too much. And then the buds themselves are pure thin foxtails. It's really frosty and smells and smokes great. Nice sativa high. But yeah yield is really not there haha. Smells like Monk B but sweeter and lighter, kind of makes me think of the kind of fragrance in air fresheners.

[Ya Dingus]

Monk 2 - I didn't weigh this actually because I'm just going to turn it into hash. I was hoping it would chunk up in the end but since like all of these genetics, are basically foxtail cluster bud structure when they did chunk up they just got a little frosty and that was really it.

Leb27v2 - 24g. I was hoping for more but its okay. The awesome smell has went away in drying. I hope it comes back in time with curing. This strain isn't based totally off of foxtails. It's like chunky half foxtails. The buds make me think of swiss cheese but with like small holes and tunnels and caves throughout. It's really frosty and enjoyable.


If you click the images to go to photobucket you can use the zoom tool there to see in higher detail.

[Fibber_Magees]

Nice, man! Happy smoking time!

[sprinkl]

Those buds look nice. I can't help but notice your plants are still dark green at harvest time and have burned leaf tips. This points towards overfeeding, Nitrogen in particular causes stretchy lanky plants with airy, foxtaily buds, and it also causes stress which could lead to herma's and increased susceptibility of bud rot and other diseases..

Id have to disagree about the male/female ratios. If theres a good ratio for the whole amount of seeds then the ratio is the same even if you sprout less seeds.

Statistics would disagree... If you have 100 seeds which are 50:50 male/female it is in no way assured that if you select 10 out of those they will be 5:5. The chance will be bigger than if selecting from a 70:30 male/female stock but it is perfectly possible that either way you get 0 males or 0 females.

[Sibbeli]

These gnetics are ment for N50 and up.

Wherre do you recide? I don´t find it odd that yours hermied when they werre inside so long and then went out, they are ment to go out as seedlings, ie a couple of weeks old.

Sprinkl has a point too.

I sowed some 200 HFH seeds this year, unfortunately lost most of them except a few held in 2L pots their whole life, in total 14 females. None hermied. I had 99% germination ratio, and many more females than males, even thou they were held in 1L pots way too long because of GG vehicle totally broken, lost them to the popo in end July, most females going strong into flower, but then cut.

Next year I´m going to sow even more, probably. HFH is top nothc for us northerners, bu in lower lats, things can and do happen. Especially after a 2month ID period and then go OD.

[esbe]

Thanks for the report Dingus and for your review at the store. It is very rare we hear about HFH genetics going herm, and with the two you mention we never had any complains before. HFH are ment to be grown strictly outdoors, meaning starting them indoor may give a risk of herm. Also wrong nut income could be a posibility.

Hope the ones you like will bring you pleasure!

[Ya Dingus]

Originally Posted by Fibber_Magees

Nice, man! Happy smoking time!

Thanks! Happy smoking time indeed! All the outdoor ganj rolls really well into joints.

Originally Posted by sprinkl

Those buds look nice. I can't help but notice your plants are still dark green at harvest time and have burned leaf tips. This points towards overfeeding, Nitrogen in particular causes stretchy lanky plants with airy, foxtaily buds, and it also causes stress which could lead to herma's and increased susceptibility of bud rot and other diseases..



Statistics would disagree... If you have 100 seeds which are 50:50 male/female it is in no way assured that if you select 10 out of those they will be 5:5. The chance will be bigger than if selecting from a 70:30 male/female stock but it is perfectly possible that either way you get 0 males or 0 females.

Sprinkl that's true its not guaranteed to have a 50/50 male female ratio already genetically. There are also other factors that can influence sex in cannabis it's notbsteictly make and female. I read recently its more likely to have 20% quick showing males, 20% earlyish females and 60% that can go either way depending on a variety of factors like temp humidity soil quality soil depth and volume etc..

I'm using no till organic soil it can't be overfed nitrogen because the plant uses only as much as it needs by stimulating the soil with exudates etc.. The burnt tips and foxtail structure I don't think is signs of any of that. Especially in organic soil. Its more likely temperature shock when the nights went from 67 to 50 and we had a wind storm.

These plants all make airy budstucture - i think because like others have said they're meant to be grow in ground as massive bushes. Since I gave them a fraction of the soil space their used to due to genetics all they produced was like larf. This bud structure of foxtails is sativa in origin and helps with mold resistance. I only had two instances of mold with the HFH gear.

Originally Posted by Sibbeli

These gnetics are ment for N50 and up.

Wherre do you recide? I don´t find it odd that yours hermied when they werre inside so long and then went out, they are ment to go out as seedlings, ie a couple of weeks old.

Sprinkl has a point too.

I sowed some 200 HFH seeds this year, unfortunately lost most of them except a few held in 2L pots their whole life, in total 14 females. None hermied. I had 99% germination ratio, and many more females than males, even thou they were held in 1L pots way too long because of GG vehicle totally broken, lost them to the popo in end July, most females going strong into flower, but then cut.

Next year I´m going to sow even more, probably. HFH is top nothc for us northerners, bu in lower lats, things can and do happen. Especially after a 2month ID period and then go OD.

Thanks for sharing your experience Sibbelli and all the information. I didn't know they were for 50+ there wasn't very specific information about what range of latitude and longitude for every strain. That's interesting that in even smaller containers yours didn't herm. It must have been because I started all of them indoors. I had no idea these genetics had to be treated so differently since its my first time growing them. I couldnt find too much information about them on these forums either. I treated them like i would normal indoor plants. I live in 47.5 -122* in the temperate PNW.

Originally Posted by esbe

Thanks for the report Dingus and for your review at the store. It is very rare we hear about HFH genetics going herm, and with the two you mention we never had any complains before. HFH are ment to be grown strictly outdoors, meaning starting them indoor may give a risk of herm. Also wrong nut income could be a posibility.

Hope the ones you like will bring you pleasure!

Hi esbe thanks for posting I really appreciate your reply! In the beginning I was being a mad hater honestly because I was taken aback so much by these strains interesting traits.

I had herms probably because I grew them indoors and even did some veg pollination on some. Though there were three plants I started indoors and soon after they sprouted I transplanted them all into one 15g bed. 2/3 hermed still. I've read recently also to start outdoor plants indoors it may be necessary to change the purposes slowly to match what it is outside. That could contribute too.

I think it would be really helpful to have a page somewhere about specific needs that are very different than normal indoor genetics. I can understand a lack of info on the seedshop area due to legalities..

Next year I'll run a leb27v2 or two in ground or in a 25g bed in the GH. That's the maximum I can do in my small greenhouse. There are very few breeders that breed for this climate and mold resistance etc. Luckily I have found another even more local - Oregon green seed.They have strains which can be ran both indoors and outdoors here, I find that most attractive!

Its better for me to not run hfh gear actually because I can't give them the proper in ground opportunity they require. Its honestly baffling to me how indoor genetics in 5g pots full season my first outdoor turned into 6' trees but the same amount of soil and then a 15gal transplanted around the same time outside the next year of these genetics turned into little more than larf haha.. I'm looking into light dep as well.