[The English Cut]

Originally Posted by Fibber_Magees

Thats is sad to hear...hope you guys will have at least a few well plants to smoke this season. No hate

No hate at all here, man. Not to worry, I planted plenty of other gear this season. Right now, Cannabiogen's Caribe looks like it's taking all the prizes, must be 6ft tall and 6ft wide!

On the HFH front, it looks like the cut of SSSDH x HP2 that I kept will be the first decent-sized plant to finish this year, it's certainly the first to start flowering anyway. The Leb however has decided to re-veg mid-flower, so I'm giving it a week or so to see which way she goes, but to be honest if she didn't smell so good (pure lemon toilet cleaner) I'd have taken her down by now.

I'm not angry with HFH, just a little disappointed really. Let's be honest, the seeds were cheap and yeah, if I'd have paid top dollar then I'd be pissed off. I just chipped in on this thread because I was genuinely surprised at the amount of hermies I got from these genetics. It doesn't really matter if I stressed the plants or not, because all the plants got the same treatment and I didn't get anything like the same amount of hermies from other breeders' genetics. I'd say that's worth flagging up for other growers who might be considering using HFH gear.

[The English Cut]

Originally Posted by amanda88

So you blame the seed breeder 'Hybrids from Hell' even tho all the seeds germed anyway ..

but then you grow seeds from 12x12 hoping to sex early...all with some seriously dumb observations ...time for you to get a good grow book and do some serious study
either that or just get easy grow feminized seeds in the first place, not very often we get noob growers blaming a quality seed breeder for his mistakes, at least on icmag anyway ....er and welcome

Noobs calling Noobs Noobs, eh? Pot calling the kettle black if you ask me, at least based on your join date, lack of photos in your album and the general gist of your posts. Anyway, what's your personal experience with these genetics? On what do you base your assessment of HFH as 'quality seed breeders'? All my experience points the other way. If you have actual experience then by all means contribute, otherwise perhaps keep your opinions (that's all they are if I'm not mistaken) to yourself and you will go far here. At least try not to take that tone using words like 'dumb' and 'noob', do you know the OP anyway? Seems to me he's been pretty thorough with his note-taking and photos. In fact the only seriously dumb observations here are yours.

oh, and by the way...

Feel free to do a journal. lol.

Peace and love, and welcome to you too.

[Fibber_Magees]

Growing cannabis outdoors is a gamble, that's for sure. Anything can happen.
This year I grew out about 14 plants. I had 11 males plants and just 1 female and one not shown yet. I could blame the breeders for that, but its nature that did this. I have to live with it
Would you mind showing my plan? I know its not HFH but at least danish.

Berberserker (Bald Monkey Seeds)

[windycitysmoker]

Originally Posted by amanda88

So you blame the seed breeder 'Hybrids from Hell' even tho all the seeds germed anyway ..

but then you grow seeds from 12x12 hoping to sex early...all with some seriously dumb observations ...time for you to get a good grow book and do some serious study
either that or just get easy grow feminized seeds in the first place, not very often we get noob growers blaming a quality seed breeder for his mistakes, at least on icmag anyway ....er and welcome

Why would u assume he's a noob? Because he has only a few post? Does that mean he just started growing? No it doesn't . That's just as bad as blaming the breeder. Practice what u preach.also who knows it could be a gentics or him we don't know, but he's warning us of the problem which is a good thing. welcome to ICMAG sorry to hear about this problem.

[therevverend]

Too bad about the hermies there is nothing more demoralizing. I'm in Washington state, I've grown Hybrid's Teheran Bubblegum. Males and females, no hermies I was happy with the results. Not the biggest yield ever but it finished quick so I viewed it as insurance in case my long season plants got wrecked by mold.
I use seeds from northern California for the bulk of my outdoor that are main run, finish at the end of September early October. I'll supplement these with some autoflower and short season seeds like Hybrids from Hell for insurance.
I'd never base my entire crop on short season strains because of the small yield and "volatility" of the strains. With autos and such the potency is less and there is a tendency to sexual problems, hermies and tons of males, probably because of the wild ruderalis genes.

[Ya Dingus]

HI guys! Thanks for all your replies and support it's really great to have feedback and to hear other's experiences! I am relatively new to growing, I started around 4 years ago but this is only my second outdoor season. I switched to organic growing the beginning of 2014 thanks to the help of the organic growing section. I couldn't have done it without awesome contributors, some of whom used to be top contributors here on ICmag and their posts are in the archives. I switched to No-till this year and so far have no thoughts of looking back.

The reason why I got HFH gear was solely for fast flowering genetics in northern latitudes and that it definitely delivered. But the herms make it really not worth it. I'm sure theres an awesome phenotype somewhere in these seeds but to have to sort through not only males but herms later is too much culling for me.

Last year I ran the genetics I had on hand from indoors and they all began flowering halfway through august and finished around the end of october. I lost like 3/4 to mold so that's why I looked and found HFH. I've not found really any other breeders for northern latitudes (& mold) except for Oregon Green Seed. They're a little south from me but it could be possible to acclimate some strains right? If anyone has any breeder suggestions I'd love to hear!

Originally Posted by The English Cut

You're not alone bro, I popped 5 seeds each of Polish Demon, Danish Gold, HP2, Leb27S, LebChunk, SSSDH x HP2, Amnesia x HP2, Tsi Fly x HP2 and C99/Jaggen x HP2.

The HP2s were all males, 4 out of 5 Danish Gold too. The female Danish Gold was stable, no nanners and I was able to clone it and keep a mother for a few months successfully. The clones from it all auto.flowered after a month or so outside. Stangely some finished flowering really nicely while others re-vegged and had to be culled.

I ended up with 2 females from the Leb27s, one popped nanners mid-flower and was culled, the other finished well and I have a clone from it flowering now. I really like the Leb so far. I used 2 Leb males to pollinate a few of my other (non-HFH) plants, we'll see how the progeny turn out. (I popped 4 random seeds to test and they're all females btw. I'm particularly excited about Peyote Purple x Leb27S!)

As for the other strains, apart from the SSSDH x HP2, they generally produced total intersex hermie nightmares. I've never seen anything like it. Even seeded females popping nanners all over the place. Oh, to be fair there was a female Lebchunk that didn't hermie too, but it didn't really produce anything worth smoking unfortunately.

The SSSDH x HP2 was really the only unqualified success here, no hermie issues whatsoever, very nice tasty strong weed and no mold either. I have a cut from one of the females starting to flower now and I made some F2s which have thrown up some interesting phenos, some of which are fully autoflowering so I for one believe that there must be some Ruderalis genes in the HP2 somewhere.

To summarize, from 45 HFH seeds popped I ended up with 5 females that didn't totally hermie out on me. In contrast in the same grow I germed 20+ seeds from other breeders (Ace, Cannabiogen, Underground Seeds, Zen Seeds) and only got one hermie plant, and a much better ratio of females to males too.

Not that impressed with HFH, maybe they're great for far northern growers but they've given me a load of trouble and dissapointment. I think the Leb27 is probably something special but now nobody is really sure if it's a pure Leb or if Esbe mixed in some Wild genetics, or if the Leb27S is pure while the Leb27v2 is a hybrid.

Anyway, couple all this lack of clear genetic info about the strains with Esbe's disappearing act and/or complete lack of interest in the subject these days and my personal advice is STEER WELL CLEAR. Sorry, I know Esbe's a nice guy, but in my experience if you want to be sure of decent plants, go elsewhere.

Thanks for your contribution English! I'm really surprised to see that you had such intense herming as well and we only had one strain in common - Danish Gold, which you also had high male ratio like me. When I researched HFH I read as much as I could about the strains I was interested in, in this forum and everything had really high ratings and I saw the breeder Esbe was posting replies. Sad to hear that now he's not around because it would be great to get more information specifically about the genetics. On the HFH website there is next to no background strain information which is upsetting to me. It does vaguely mention strains originating from landrace and such but nothing is on seed finder.

Originally Posted by therevverend

Too bad about the hermies there is nothing more demoralizing. I'm in Washington state, I've grown Hybrid's Teheran Bubblegum. Males and females, no hermies I was happy with the results. Not the biggest yield ever but it finished quick so I viewed it as insurance in case my long season plants got wrecked by mold.
I use seeds from northern California for the bulk of my outdoor that are main run, finish at the end of September early October. I'll supplement these with some autoflower and short season seeds like Hybrids from Hell for insurance.
I'd never base my entire crop on short season strains because of the small yield and "volatility" of the strains. With autos and such the potency is less and there is a tendency to sexual problems, hermies and tons of males, probably because of the wild ruderalis genes.

Hi Revverend thanks for posting I completely agree that there is nothing more demoralizing than sudden hermaphrodites. To have happy healthy plants that seem to be growing fine suddenly sprout pollen pods is very disappointing. I'll try your method of multiple genetic choice next year! I'd like to try the tehran bubblegum since you had a good experience. That and the Leb27 I want to grow. That's awesome that your genetics from northern california finish early here, I've found most indoor genetics/ things that may have came up here from cali start flowering really late at my latitude. Next year I'll have a mix of my on hand, HFH, OGS, anything else I can find for outdoor here and autos supplement.

Originally Posted by windycitysmoker

Why would u assume he's a noob? Because he has only a few post? Does that mean he just started growing? No it doesn't . That's just as bad as blaming the breeder. Practice what u preach.also who knows it could be a gentics or him we don't know, but he's warning us of the problem which is a good thing. welcome to ICMAG sorry to hear about this problem.

Thanks for your support Windycitysmoker I really appreciate it. I really wanted to share my experience because when I first bought the seeds I was seeing nothing but good reviews and sunny skies but now that I've got herms and I'm pretty sure it's not just me stressing them I had to share something about it.

Originally Posted by Fibber_Magees

Growing cannabis outdoors is a gamble, that's for sure. Anything can happen.
This year I grew out about 14 plants. I had 11 males plants and just 1 female and one not shown yet. I could blame the breeders for that, but its nature that did this. I have to live with it
Would you mind showing my plant, English Cut? I know its not HFH but at least danish.

Berberserker (Bald Monkey Seeds)

Fibber Magees your Berberserker looks wonderful! Feel free to post photos in here any time you like.

11 males man I would be heated to be honest. Did you have any backups?

I'm still trying to figure out exactly how to do it properly on this forum. I pretty much only use Grass City with ICmag as another resource. I'm going to try posting from photobucket now.

[Xylomafoney]

Ace made seeds from Esben's erdpurt and they hermied grown indoor and outdoor down in spain, they bred it a bit too make it more stable in those conditions. If you want hardy outdoor genetics for colder/wetter climates under 50N buy that or their Bangi haze or Nepal Jam, a lot of other genetics should work too.

Meanwhile guerilla growers in the UK are having success with HFH, people have grow them in Finland I believe, Monk has apparently been grown up to 64N. They aren't stable indoors or down south, they can herm and autoflower when started indoors and put outside aswell. These seeds have been bred outdoor at around 55N and are made to grow outdoor around 55N, HFH are the only breeders available for this.

[ValleyKush]

I had 1 leb27s, 2 wildmonk, 2 danish14 and a hp2 in my veg tent and moved outside on nice days this spring and only one danish14 hermi on me, which i assume is because of being inside in small pot. I also have 2 wildwhite, a giant hp2, 2 dutch golds, a polish demon and a leb27s outside right now with no hermis. Other then the leb27s having 2/13 females, everybdy else had normal ratios.

I am at 48n in wa state, growing organicly. So far I have nothing but good things to say about hfh.
I think that if you put them in the ground outside at my lat or higher there would be no hermi issues. They auto flower due to lack of root space or unnatural photoperiod and seem to stress easily in those situations, but outdoors in ground are almost stress proof in my experience so far.

Oh and out of the first batch this spring the danish14 is the most potent with a super dreamy but clear high. Anybody who says early season plants arent potent hasnt tryed this yet.

[Xylomafoney]

Originally Posted by ValleyKush

I had 1 leb27s, 2 wildmonk, 2 danish14 and a hp2 in my veg tent and moved outside on nice days this spring and only one danish14 hermi on me, which i assume is because of being inside in small pot. I also have 2 wildwhite, a giant hp2, 2 dutch golds, a polish demon and a leb27s outside right now with no hermis. Other then the leb27s having 2/13 females, everybdy else had normal ratios.

I am at 48n in wa state, growing organicly. So far I have nothing but good things to say about hfh.
I think that if you put them in the ground outside at my lat or higher there would be no hermi issues. They auto flower due to lack of root space or unnatural photoperiod and seem to stress easily in those situations, but outdoors in ground are almost stress proof in my experience so far.

Oh and out of the first batch this spring the danish14 is the most potent with a super dreamy but clear high. Anybody who says early season plants arent potent hasnt tryed this yet.

Quick off topic question, what strain is Danish 14, an older HFH one?

[Fibber_Magees]

Bluehemp-Nepali - One of the most beautiful plants I've ever had. Cant wait till she starts flowering...hopefully a girl