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aridbud · 08-14-2015, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk907

I've got two critical autos going right now and a couple days ago I topped and defoliated one of them as a side-by-side experiment. Based on the responses you're getting, maybe I should have tried lst instead... haha

Time will tell.

amanda88 · 08-14-2015, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk907

I've got two critical autos going right now and a couple days ago I topped and defoliated one of them as a side-by-side experiment. Based on the responses you're getting, maybe I should have tried lst instead... haha

Much easier to read Marijuana Botany by RC Clarke, who has a great chapter on defoliation

aridbud · 08-14-2015, 01:32 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Marijuana Botany regarding defoliation is for photoperiods, not autoflower.

HerBnGorE(illa) · 08-14-2015, 02:29 PM

A friend of mine had a large autoflower plant outdoors. I got some seeds from the mix and have always wanted to grow it because the smoke was actually quite special. Problem is that I'm in a micro setting. Would topping to stall out it's early growth allow me to keep the plant small, or just screw things up and give me larf/hermis?

I have no experience with autos, so ......

aridbud · 08-14-2015, 07:35 PM

A HerBn-

Low Stress Train.....topping severely limits growth/maturation!!!

Been growing and breeding autoflower strains for 10 years now. Although FIM can produce add....it can damage plant's growth cycle if not done properly.

None of these specimens...ours or a repeat customers pics were topped, FIMed. Optimal grow conditions are the key to successful harvest.

Bend down branches gently to LST., esp. in confined space.

HerBnGorE(illa) · 08-14-2015, 09:42 PM

Aridbud.

The specific auto plants I speak of were outdoors and grew to about 4-5 feet tall. I am curious how I can keep them about a foot tall. I'm doing a small sog in a pc case. It is easy with photo plants. I can either flower cuttings to achieve my goal, or from seed i can deprive nitrogen, defoliate, root restriction, etc. Just curious what kind of training would achieve miniaturization on an autoflower plant. I think lst would not stress the plant enough to keep it from taking over the grow space. Don't want to dedicate an entire run to the single plant if I can prevent it.

Thanks

amanda88 · 08-15-2015, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aridbud

If I'm not mistaken, Marijuana Botany regarding defoliation is for photoperiods, not autoflower.

...You are correct, Clarke was referring to photo plants(not many autos were around back then) and a hint to my ..disdain, and Clarke's, of growers who defoliate their plants, and more so with auto flower growers

aridbud · 08-15-2015, 05:18 AM

'Twould be better to find a size specific auto strain, HerBn, vs. trying to plant a large or extra large auto/ruddy in PC case. You can squeeze 3 plants in PC case where they don't reach more than 16-18"

We have several strains (afterthought autos)for micro grows, as well as numerous others auto seedsters out there. Some go for the gusto...large one. We cater more to MMJ population, or covert growers. Quality strains (devoted to chronic health issues) and relatively quick turn around.

Save your larger plant seed for, say, a portion of a closet....you really need large liter (11-17 ltr) or 5 gallon for an auto that's 4-5ft tall. We grow autos in either 3-5 gallon nursery containers, depending on girth and height as well as days of maturity.

For PC grow you can do 1.25- 1.50 gallon buckets...3 easily for starters. Learn how autos respond, then branch out.

For strains that finish around 60 days...well, it's best to LST them....but to each their own....cropping/topping/FIM, etc. Different strokes for different strains. Longer growing autos say 75-90 days perhaps FIM, but it's a choice, or habit. Have read variable successes on different forums. Glad it works.

Shorter growing (days/stature strains)....just grow 'em!

After years of growing (indoors, al fresco), it takes time to heal a stressed auto... no sense beating a dead horse. Autos are on a strict time clock....treat them well, they'll treat you in the end! ;o)

Photos...for sure FIM, crop, lollipop, etc. for added bud/cola sites given months to recover from stress. When growing photos years or for decades, it was the norm. Defoliating too for cross breezes and heartier plant....much like tree trimming....creating a more robust stalk/plant.

Anasazi · 04-14-2016, 12:35 AM

Newer autos can be fimmed no problem. I know a really great auto grower who fim's every single time and he gets great results. All his journals are listed on an autoflower site for all to see.

OranguTrump · 04-14-2016, 03:59 AM

Bondage/LST better for auto's, from what I've read. Photoperiod plants have time to adjust to top/fim, but auto's have limited life span to accomplish their reproductive cycle.

Bend her over & tie her down - she'll love you for it

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aridbud automeister Join Date: May 2013 Location: the best place on earth Posts: 5,589	A HerBn- Low Stress Train.....topping severely limits growth/maturation!!! Been growing and breeding autoflower strains for 10 years now. Although FIM can produce add....it can damage plant's growth cycle if not done properly. None of these specimens...ours or a repeat customers pics were topped, FIMed. Optimal grow conditions are the key to successful harvest. Bend down branches gently to LST., esp. in confined space. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Seeds have the power to preserve species, to enhance cultural as well as genetic diversity, to counter economic monopoly and to check the advance of conformity on all its many fronts. Michael Pollan Happiness held is the seed; Happiness shared is the flower. John Harrigan Instant gratification takes too long. Carrie Fisher - RIP. *afterthought autos* We are passionate breeders of unique quality cannabis autoflower hybrid seeds at down to earth prices; now 11 years running! https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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08-14-2015, 09:42 PM	#16
HerBnGorE(illa) Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 812	Aridbud. The specific auto plants I speak of were outdoors and grew to about 4-5 feet tall. I am curious how I can keep them about a foot tall. I'm doing a small sog in a pc case. It is easy with photo plants. I can either flower cuttings to achieve my goal, or from seed i can deprive nitrogen, defoliate, root restriction, etc. Just curious what kind of training would achieve miniaturization on an autoflower plant. I think lst would not stress the plant enough to keep it from taking over the grow space. Don't want to dedicate an entire run to the single plant if I can prevent it. Thanks Last edited by HerBnGorE(illa); 08-14-2015 at 10:02 PM..
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08-15-2015, 05:18 AM	#18
aridbud automeister Join Date: May 2013 Location: the best place on earth Posts: 5,589	'Twould be better to find a size specific auto strain, HerBn, vs. trying to plant a large or extra large auto/ruddy in PC case. You can squeeze 3 plants in PC case where they don't reach more than 16-18" We have several strains (afterthought autos)for micro grows, as well as numerous others auto seedsters out there. Some go for the gusto...large one. We cater more to MMJ population, or covert growers. Quality strains (devoted to chronic health issues) and relatively quick turn around. Save your larger plant seed for, say, a portion of a closet....you really need large liter (11-17 ltr) or 5 gallon for an auto that's 4-5ft tall. We grow autos in either 3-5 gallon nursery containers, depending on girth and height as well as days of maturity. For PC grow you can do 1.25- 1.50 gallon buckets...3 easily for starters. Learn how autos respond, then branch out. For strains that finish around 60 days...well, it's best to LST them....but to each their own....cropping/topping/FIM, etc. Different strokes for different strains. Longer growing autos say 75-90 days perhaps FIM, but it's a choice, or habit. Have read variable successes on different forums. Glad it works. Shorter growing (days/stature strains)....just grow 'em! After years of growing (indoors, al fresco), it takes time to heal a stressed auto... no sense beating a dead horse. Autos are on a strict time clock....treat them well, they'll treat you in the end! ;o) Photos...for sure FIM, crop, lollipop, etc. for added bud/cola sites given months to recover from stress. When growing photos years or for decades, it was the norm. Defoliating too for cross breezes and heartier plant....much like tree trimming....creating a more robust stalk/plant. __________________ Seeds have the power to preserve species, to enhance cultural as well as genetic diversity, to counter economic monopoly and to check the advance of conformity on all its many fronts. Michael Pollan Happiness held is the seed; Happiness shared is the flower. John Harrigan Instant gratification takes too long. Carrie Fisher - RIP. *afterthought autos* We are passionate breeders of unique quality cannabis autoflower hybrid seeds at down to earth prices; now 11 years running! https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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OranguTrump Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Posts: 950	Bondage/LST better for auto's, from what I've read. Photoperiod plants have time to adjust to top/fim, but auto's have limited life span to accomplish their reproductive cycle. Bend her over & tie her down - she'll love you for it __________________ Ordained Minister in The Church Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster I am a Pasta-Rasta "I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too." - Mitch Hedberg "Dave's not here" * RIP to the greatest character actor ever - Harry Dean Stanton *
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08-14-2015, 02:29 PM	#14
HerBnGorE(illa) Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 812	A friend of mine had a large autoflower plant outdoors. I got some seeds from the mix and have always wanted to grow it because the smoke was actually quite special. Problem is that I'm in a micro setting. Would topping to stall out it's early growth allow me to keep the plant small, or just screw things up and give me larf/hermis? I have no experience with autos, so ......
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04-14-2016, 12:35 AM	#19
Anasazi Newbie Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4	Newer autos can be fimmed no problem. I know a really great auto grower who fim's every single time and he gets great results. All his journals are listed on an autoflower site for all to see.
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