hello all. just thought I'd give my .02 on this variety.

I bought a pack off SBay back when it was on sale for 100. I gave 1/2 the pack to a friend and germed 5 beans. of the 5 beans, my best 2 were males, and I had 3 females. Of the 3 females, there were 2 basic phenos: the more sativa-looking pheno, and the mutant pheno. my third girl was a runt, but looked, smelled, and smoked like the sativa pheno. I call it sativa pheno due to leaf structure but truly it grows like a short squat indica with little stretch to speak of. not very vigorous imo compared to others, about middle of the pack.

They were done in DWC, with PBP and botanicare line of products. They were not the most prolific flowers, and thus not the most impressive yielder I've seen by any means, but the frost level I saw on TB has only been rivaled by sour diesel. TB had a fruity/berry odor in flo, but it had a hint of sour funk to it, strangely similar to SD. this "funk" was not evident on drying or cured buds - just sweet blueberry. I got a hint of a spice of some kind after curing and felt it tasted very similar to Shishkaberry which should come as no surprise because it has practically identical genetics.

In the end, I pulled the mutant pheno at 48 days and the others at 55. All exhibited minor purpling, but it was definitely present. not under very cool temps, either, I dropped the 400 vertical and 6 inches from girls.

Overall I found it to be an average yielder - not impressive in this category. However they were the frostiest and stickiest of varieties I have ran last time (including trainwreck) and I was very impressed. the buzz was also the strongest, a nice 50/50 hybrid. The buzz was solid body and notable euphoria with a nice thoguht provoking head component. no couchlock, unless you smoke way too much.

overall I found this variety to be a keeper. although I am giving mutant pheno another shot, initial reaction is the "regular" pheno is superior in buzz and yield. testing it for outdoors use right now and so far so good.


oh and I did keep a cut of the best looking male. got purple cream, trainwreck, power plant, and ordering princess deez, ssh, nl x ice and grapefruit (c99 hybrid) to cross with the TB male. and maybe romulan, bubba or ogers, GDP, etc.. if I can get lucky w/ clubs..


any questions or comments welcome. forgot to remove date-stamp on a few of the pics, i know its annoying sorry

the hanging pics are of sat pheno, living pics are mixed.

[- ezra -]

nice dude - you got any dried/cured budshots?

[afropips]

True Blue Confesions,
I also bought a pack when they were on special for $100 & just imagine they were reduced in price.
I bought a pack of Flodica & they faired a bit better although 1 of the 4 females turned hermaphrodite & was culled. I never got a male & wondered if they got mixed up with feminised seeds before packing.
The seeds were initially undersized & some were immature & I exchanged both packs for 2 more packs which I then tested.
seeds germed poorly & seedlings needed help out of the seed shells
I certainly got true blue as well with the finnicky mutants & runts & ended up with 2 females.
The cured bud was not as potent as the Dutch Passions variety
& the seeds were very expensive, overpriced & hyped compared to the Passion version.

I was lucky to receive a full refund after much complaining.

Remember large amounts of frost are not an indication of potency & high experienced.
I would advise against growing the Mutant Blues outside especially if there are endemic varieties in your location & 100's of miles away that can be infected by the inbred mutant genetics by open pollination.

The runnings..........

[Reign of Terror]

yeah, by the looks of DJ's strains, theyre not truebreeding at all even though theyre f5, and they say its better to have an IBL in the earlier f-generations; so im assuming DJ id some bad selections thus no true resemblence in plants, esp if you had trouble afropips, you stabilized some uncontrollable plants lol

[- ezra -]

Originally Posted by Reign of Terror

im assuming DJ id some bad selections

are you kidding me? DJ making bad selections? Dude, DJ knows more about breeding than most breeders combined, and he is not in the habit of making "bad selections". of course you are entitled to your opinion though. BTW his goal is not to stabilise by inbreeding the same traits, he is trying to improve his lines and diversify.

Afropips - quit dissing DJ. you are constantly doing this all over the site. you dont know shit so shut the fuck up! (excuse me I dont usually sware)

As far as the DP version being better, I highly doubt this as they made their selections from a mere 50 seeds. the TB is the result of the most extensive selection process DJ has ever done.

[Reign of Terror]

Originally Posted by - ezra -

are you kidding me? DJ making bad selections? Dude, DJ knows more about breeding than most breeders combined, and he is not in the habit of making "bad selections". of course you are entitled to your opinion though. BTW his goal is not to stabilise by inbreeding the same traits, he is trying to improve his lines and diversify.

Afropips - quit dissing DJ. you are constantly doing this all over the site. you dont know shit so shut the fuck up!

Thank you, thank you for saying that...it makes sense now, esp since he has 6 lines of the same genetics, im completley misinterpreted his goal and now i understand what it is.

But maybe afropips it right, if this is DJ's goal, maybe he lost sight of other things, its evident as Afropips stabilized Malawi to its rare pheno. Obviously Afropips isnt use to this type of breeding and with so much talk of DJ and him being a master breeder, he expected more, but what he expected is not what DJ was shooting for in the first place, so can you really blame his reaction?

Reign

I agree that the mutant seems disappointing at first glance. lower yield, weaker buzz (though more euphoric) but I will give it another chance and did take cuts. no sorry, the cam belongs to a fam member and I had to give it back before they dried. I was really mad, because they were extremely impressive visibly. I have a few early pics that I zoomed in too much in my gallery from the mutant.

As I said I'd like to make some of my own hybrids w/ the TB male so obviously I am impressed overall.

[afropips]

Hi Ezra, you are so predictable!
Did you test grow both the Passion & the DJ BB varieties?
Do you know DJ personally as it seems you like to defend
products you know nothing about,
the same as other misinformed breeder worshippers & ring kissers
do!

You state:- "TB is the result of the most extensive selection process DJ has ever done." If this is true why are there so many mutants & runts?
Have you considered all the outcomes & negative effects of inbreeding with a restricted genepool & breeding with the resultant mutants?

Does DJ do his own breeding or is it subcontracted?

Ezra - quit dissing Afropips. You are constantly doing this all over the site.
Clearly you don't know what I know so shut it!

The Runnings...........

[Reign of Terror]

well i know that dj has both the afghani and thai lines in male and both female, so i dont think there is a shortage of plants, but i think when dj crossed his thai's he shouldve stabilized them into certain phenos because look how blueberrry turns out due to the thai in it, and the thai was never managed and breed to stop those traits and look how it ruins the line.

he needs to do as i said then release a new blueberry because i know he iddnt stabilize those thai genes, because blueberry would be a completley different animal if he did. One thing to remember from this kids is that polyhybrids are no good when it comes to breeding when you know that certain strain is the polyhybrid cause trouble and arent stabilized

[- ezra -]

Reign - I highly recommend reading DJ's atricle in the breeders forum in the sticky section. Its a fairly long article in 4 parts, but its really good and it will give you a great perspective on the breeding techniques and strategies he employs.

Basically when a breeding project goes from the F2 to F5 range and beyond the F5 stage the total number of genetic expressions and possibilities becomes extemely complex. Hybridising 2 landraces or worked IBLs is simple enough, but to take the breeding project to such a high level of complexity as DJ does is very difficult and requires much patience, not to mention decades of work.

My understanding is that one major reason his lines are not as stable is that he is breeding complex combinations of traits. this means for example its much easier to breed a strain which is consistent for hight, appearance and smell then it is to breed a strain which is consistent for a larger combination of traits such as height, appearance, smell, taste, potency, type of high, etc. DJs main objective in his breeding hork is to constantly improve the quality of his lines, therefore inbreeding them to the point of high stability is not a primary focus.

Also he has chosen to work with completely original lines, not already worked and stabilised lines such most breeders these days do. The mutant occurence in DJs strains is actually not a negative thing. the mutants often have other highly desireable traits hence their inclusion in the breeding work. DJ could have bred out these genetics, but he chose to retain them due to the unique properties they added to the lines.