Help me on my soil plz - Organic Soil - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

Limolax · 02-10-2015, 09:50 PM

Hi I am new grower in need of advice on organic soil
I live somewhere in middle east with no access to most materials, organics, additives, and equipments mentioned in guides and in online threads. So here is what mix I decided to go with with my very limited availability.
1 part potting soil. Localy made
1 part vermicompost (worm casting)
1 part Peatmoss. It has (30-40)% perlite+vermiculite
0.2 part chicken manure
0.2 part cow poop
A little bit of agricultural lime
I ve been told I am low on k on my mix but I can't get my hand on any kelp or seaweed or green sand. So here are my question?
Is my mix ok to grow from seedling to harvest with no need too feed extra fertelizer?
What else I could add to that or any mix to balanced NPK and all the other micro stuff and usefull bacterial and microbes?
Keep that in mind. I am very limited. So the simpler the better. I'm also planing to go SOG with my micro grow. And have very short vegetation period. Thought the shorter the whole cycle the lesser complication in plant or soil. Right? Or?!
I ll appriciate any suggestion. CheeeerZ all

xmobotx · 02-10-2015, 09:57 PM

i would avoid manure for indoor potting soil. in mall amounts it can be ok but it should be composted

wood ash can be a good K source & learn your local plants to find dynamic accumulators you can compost or mulch w/

Limolax · 02-10-2015, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmobotx

i would avoid manure for indoor potting soil. in mall amounts it can be ok but it should be composted/

Can I go with just vermicompost as fertilizer till harvest? Since it doesn't smell bad like manure.

Stonedasarock · 02-10-2015, 10:53 PM

Take note that the advice you're getting is from a beginner, but it may still serve you well.

It definitely sounds like you're going to need to start learning about permaculture so that you can provide a lot of your garden needs on site (such as growing alfalfa, comfrey, yarrow, etc). If this isn't possible with your living situation obviously ignore that.

I've got this document that has potassium sources rated and I'm going to include the ones of note in hope that you can source some locally.

Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue
(From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them)
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile)
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0

At the very least maybe see what you can make teas out of local ingredients. Good luck!

OakyJoe · 02-10-2015, 11:10 PM

here on the forum there is a list what you can take otherwise like the other member said:

make teas out of local ingredients

Former Guest · 02-10-2015, 11:15 PM

what about langbienite?? provides sulphur, calcium, magnesium, and it's 0-0-22.

Seaf0ur · 02-10-2015, 11:20 PM

Use these to help you on your way...

Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases

Plant choices

High-Low Chemical query

Former Guest · 02-10-2015, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limolax

Can I go with just vermicompost as fertilizer till harvest? Since it doesn't smell bad like manure.

I don't think that is going to be enough. a good compost would suit you better along with the vermicompost. you can add different meals to your recipe. I would highly suggest checking out the Organics for beginners thread.

heres a basic one for making teas so you would just use the base soil with no amendments

Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
1 capful is 1 TB or 15 ml.

For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O

For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O

For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O

5 parts Canadian Sphagnum Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts worm castings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.

Limolax · 02-11-2015, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyluckybean

Fish and Seaweed (This is sooo easy)
1 capful is 1 TB or 15 ml.

For veg growth…
1 capful 5-1-1 Fish Emulsion
1 capful Neptune's Harvest 0-0-1 Seaweed or Maxicrop liquid
1 gallon H2O

For early flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-3-1 Fish/Seaweed
1 gallon H2O

For mid to late flowering…
1 tbs. Neptune’s Harvest 2-4-1 Fish
1 gallon H2O

5 parts Canadian Sphagnum Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts worm castings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.

As I explained I don't have access to brand name fertilizers and additives and most organics like fish emulsion, kelp, sea weed,guano, etc. think like materials available in a village. No home depot no e bay no online ordering and such.

Hottish · 02-11-2015, 12:15 AM

https://www.alibaba.com/products/F0/f...11502--IR.html

Contact a few of these say you are thinking of setting up an export biz to back home, ask for samples

Get your post count to 50 and pm me, I have been to that village

Use a VPN & PGP ASAP

02-10-2015, 09:50 PM	#1
Limolax Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 206	Help me on my soil plz Hi I am new grower in need of advice on organic soil I live somewhere in middle east with no access to most materials, organics, additives, and equipments mentioned in guides and in online threads. So here is what mix I decided to go with with my very limited availability. 1 part potting soil. Localy made 1 part vermicompost (worm casting) 1 part Peatmoss. It has (30-40)% perlite+vermiculite 0.2 part chicken manure 0.2 part cow poop A little bit of agricultural lime I ve been told I am low on k on my mix but I can't get my hand on any kelp or seaweed or green sand. So here are my question? Is my mix ok to grow from seedling to harvest with no need too feed extra fertelizer? What else I could add to that or any mix to balanced NPK and all the other micro stuff and usefull bacterial and microbes? Keep that in mind. I am very limited. So the simpler the better. I'm also planing to go SOG with my micro grow. And have very short vegetation period. Thought the shorter the whole cycle the lesser complication in plant or soil. Right? Or?! I ll appriciate any suggestion. CheeeerZ all
	Quote

02-10-2015, 11:10 PM	#5
OakyJoe OGJoe Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: No sun, where I'm from it's always overcast Posts: 2,470	here on the forum there is a list what you can take otherwise like the other member said: make teas out of local ingredients __________________ Das maximale Volumen subterraner Agrarprodukte ist reziprok proportional zur intellektuellen Kapazität des Produzenten Life is better than you can even imagine. Life is everything. Life is love. I'm free from your spell Oh I'm free, free, free now I'm free from your spell And now that it's all over All I can do is wish you well Plants require 18 essential nutrients to grow and survive, classified by their importance into macronutrients (C, H, O, N, P, K, Ca, Mg, S) and micronutrients (B, Cu, Fe, Mn, Zn, Mo, Cl, Co, Ni). Study Tip! Nutrients may be mobile or immobile in the plant and in the soil, which influences redistribution of nutrients and display of deficiency symptoms, and the fertilization of crops. Nutrient demands change throughout the life of the plant, in general increasing during vegetative growth but decreasing during reproductive development.
	Quote

02-10-2015, 11:15 PM	#6
Former Guest Banned Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 3,005	what about langbienite?? provides sulphur, calcium, magnesium, and it's 0-0-22.
	Quote 1 members found this post helpful.

02-10-2015, 11:20 PM	#7
Seaf0ur Pagan Extremist Join Date: May 2013 Location: In the land of the damned and ignored, past the graveyard of dead Gods, living in shadows. Posts: 6,471	Use these to help you on your way... Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases Plant choices High-Low Chemical query __________________ *Guide to Beneficial Insects* *The Terpenes of Cannabis Their Aromas and Effects* In this world there's only one way out.... Close your eyes then... You're in the lions den.... Find a state of Zazen....
	Quote 1 members found this post helpful.

02-11-2015, 12:15 AM	#10
Hottish Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Out on a Limb Posts: 165	What are you looking for....... https://www.alibaba.com/products/F0/f...11502--IR.html Contact a few of these say you are thinking of setting up an export biz to back home, ask for samples Get your post count to 50 and pm me, I have been to that village Use a VPN & PGP ASAP
	Quote

02-10-2015, 10:53 PM	#4
Stonedasarock Newbie Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 13	Take note that the advice you're getting is from a beginner, but it may still serve you well. It definitely sounds like you're going to need to start learning about permaculture so that you can provide a lot of your garden needs on site (such as growing alfalfa, comfrey, yarrow, etc). If this isn't possible with your living situation obviously ignore that. I've got this document that has potassium sources rated and I'm going to include the ones of note in hope that you can source some locally. Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1 Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74 Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1 Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4 Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2 Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6 Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2 Molasses Residue (From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32 Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0 Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them) Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5 Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04 Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1 Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile) Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0 Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0 At the very least maybe see what you can make teas out of local ingredients. Good luck!
	Quote