I'm hoping the time is nearing on the description and parents of Jack. I am open minded and try my best to not read into hype, so personally this does not matter to me so much, though I must admit I am curious. The lack of information becomes problematic when I don't have any information for the customers/patients. Most are not like me, and marketing is very important to them. I live in California, USA. People here are bombarded with advertisements and marketing and name brands are very important. Could you imagine buying a Mercedes with no emblems? The same car side by side, the one with emblems would sell at 1000000000/1 ratio.

In the hustle and bustle of the booming medicinal cannabis industry, business starts on the telephone, and many people employed in it do not have time or willingness to learn about new things. In all honesty, naming a strain Jack, in a marketplace that knows and understands Jack as being Jack Herrer is somewhat irresponsible, given there is zero info on the strain other than ' high limonene'. When I tell people the strain is 123 x Jack, they ask, "what is Jack?" I then inform them that Jack is unknown to me and due to the brainwashing we've all received from the Mega Corporations, their interest subsides due to not having a name brand. I find myself describing the effects of the Jack crosses to an uninterested audience, as buyers at dispensaries really could care less. They want a name and/or look they like, and on the shelf it goes. Obviously, describing the effects to the patient, in my opinion, is far more important than any name will ever be, but unfortunately I come into contact with less than 1% of the patients that are using my herbs to medicate. I don't feel Chimera owes us anything as growers, as there are a million beans out there from tons of breeders to choose from. So the question remains, what do us growers of medicinal cannabis owe the patients?

Patients consume cannabis for medical purposes, and effect is the #1 priority, but they also like to buy in confidence, and the more familiar the name the better. All they see is a name on a jar with a vague description of either indica, sativa, or hybrid. So, in a marketplace that for 20 years has know Jack as Jack Herrer, the patients assume it's a Jack Herrer cross in the Jar. My personal opinion, and the opinion of others that are dispensing the Jack to the undereducated public, is that it would be more responsible to list the parent names on the menu/jars, other than list 123 x Jack, due to Jack on its own being slightly misleading. I suppose what I'm getting at is that I'm going to make up names that are marketable for the strains I kept, so people of the world can enjoy this great cannabis with confidence.
When I renamed the Mountain Jam #2 'Grapefruit Bubblegum' it sold immediately, and I didn't have to say, " no, not sativa, not Jack Herrer, it's an unknown variety." It was a simple description of taste and mouthfeel and I didn't get one question.
I want Chimera to get credit for his creations but more importantly I do not want to mislead patients using a common name. This is especially true of strains with more indica effects like Jack Pine.

This post is in regards to MY own personal experience with almost 20 years dealing in cannabis, 17 of which I've been a grower. Others may have different opinions or experiences that vary from mine. I wanted to voice my opinion, and let it be known to Chimera, so we can possibly learn and move forward. Just honest feedback. In my opinion Chimera is a Master Breeder but the marketing on this one is a fail. More info on Jack might be enough, but maybe not. Maybe a new name all together? None of the medicine from my grow rooms will be labeled in the future as 123xJack, it's just not fair to the consumer. I only mention this because if I was Chimera I would be totally bummed, big time. I want Chim and everyone else to be stoked :-)

[xxPeacePipexx]

Anyone not using Jack Herer descended lines should be shot on site lol.....j/k

[jayjayfrank]

IME

right away the biggest problem i see is honesty

when someone asks "what is jack" you are honest and say "i dont know"

when in reality the ones people listen to are the ones that say "jack is this this and that" when they have no clue.

would a rose by any other name still smell as sweet?

leave it to the marketing department to come up with a better name for the rose.

not to many people out there currently buying Jack flowers...

i understand where your coming from but i see education amongst consumers as the road block, not lineage or name

Yes I agree jayjayfrank, I spend as much time as I can educating patients/consumers, as it brings me great enjoyment more and more are coming around every day') To me, this is why names are so important. If I don't change the name of the Jack varieties the manager of the co-op will. That puts the consumer in a position where they truly have no idea what variety they are smoking, and when they want to seek out more of it from another grower or beans from a seed maker, they will come up empty handed, or purchase the wrong seeds.

I'm a grower of cannabis, not a strategic marketing expert, so I did not know at first how problematic this would become for the retailers. It is obviously not my place to offer advice on the subject, so all I can do is document my experiences and get the info to Chi and co. In California it is very popular to make up fake names for strains, names that 'sound cool', and with something confusing customers/patients like the name Jack, that's exactly what will happen.

I hope this doesn't come across as a complaint, as I really have no problem making up names for these strains, though in the past this is something I have prided myself in not doing. I figure as long as the co-op buying from me gets the same product consistently under the same name, THEIR patients will know what to expect. This leaves Chimera and his strains unknown to the masses, which sucks big time for Chi. I hope documenting my experience will help. I can almost guarantee there are patients seeking out 'grapefruit bubblegum' seeds, and ' Lime Pine Tree' seeds, and they will not find these under Chimera's name. My apologies for making these names up, but as I mentioned, if I don't, someone else will. I chose to do it myself so there is no confusion between me and the buyer at the co- op, as they are making up names like crazy every day and would surely lose track.

Peace, love, unity

[jayjayfrank]

YES! documenting is half the battle!

having this place really helps because i have pointed several people like "no, go to this website, its this cheese hybrid not that other one"

slowly the tides are turning, with legalization comes innovation, only a matter of time before people dont care about name but want a terpene profile analysis

[Chrondiddle O]

wow

[jayjayfrank]

im glad we know jack is a haze/skunk/nl hybrid that has been line bred for more than a decade. that sounds about as good as can be imagined.

[MJPassion]

Interesting analysis...

Seems fairly accurate...