[Sibbeli]

Hi,

The reason I ask is that brock1 on another forum and on HFH.net commented and said that they are the same as a strain called "North Jutland", he has grown both and say that they are the same.

But, I would like all other people who has grown Monk to tell me their experience since Esben seems to be a bit to busy to answer my emails, and I don´t want to terrorize the master himself.

It is also another reason behind this question, and that is that I will be breeding with almost all early HFH variety´s at N57 +- 1Lattitude, in a very humid climate,very near the coast in Sweden.

If you grower´s of Monk say that from your experience it seems rather stable with not to many pheno´s, then I´ll take it as an IBL/near IBL(IBL by Danish standard´s, Like Leb 27, RD, DP), and would like to know what traits it is stable for, if someone have noticed that.


A bit on my breeding,

I will focus on mold resistant plant only, and will do alot of new different early crosses of HFH strains and also to other strains that work up here, I got several project´s with a goal that I have in mind, when ready, most will be finished in September, some at latest 10-15 Oct, as by then the moose hunt is in full progress.

I will work alot with the Wilds, Monk, Leb27, NepIran and other earlies, got about 20 different HFH strains.

I´ll also be working on making earlier versions of some of the late, too late for this Lat strains so that all southern Scandinavians and Baltic countries can enjoy even them. More info about that will come when I have made some progress(IE not this year).

I will also do some new F1:ones from IBL´s. I´ll need to test them before anything is sold or shared, but half of what I breed with HFH genes will go back to Esben, the seeds, half of them is Esben´s as I´m not going to do something without giving due credit to the master himself.

I am known under another nick on some forums, will clear that up before the season when my thread will come in this sub forum.


So, guys, is the Monk a stable strain?

More will come later.

[BigNoise]

I'm also interested to hear what people have to say about this. If most of the HFH stuff is fairly true breeding, that would be great. I would like to have some stable lines for reliable harvest, as well as throwing some high yielding Cali genetics at to try to maximize yields at my latitude (46*N), while maintaining hardiness.

[Bobmonk388]

all the munk I've grown and seen including brock1 s are very homogenous I've seen them grown in the us and uk and they are early to hope this helps

[Sibbeli]

The HFH strains that are close to IBL are: Leb27V2 ie the original Leb, Royal Dane, GG I guess is fairly stable and f10+ probably, The DG is somewhere above f3, but the the Leb27V2 and RD ARE what is considered IBL by Danish Standard´s, ie not to many phenoes.

There are other such LRC´s in Denmark too but not available throu HFH

[Sibbeli]

@bobmonk388, I´ve questioned Esben that to cconfirm that on his private mail, but nice to hear it from you too! If they are homogenous, they are a true Gem to me.. Such an early near IBL/IBL:ish is a real treat to have..

I´ll be working the Monk this year, what Esben does with his half of the seeds, remain to be seen, but hopefully it will be available to others too.


But, I don´t think most of the HFH stuff is fairly true breeding, as they are hybrids...

[Bobmonk388]

your right all hybrids except maybe royal dane and monk not sure exactly whats in what but these 2 are very homogenous and early i see your lat is 56 to 58 north so you want early lol i used a monk male to knock up some stuff last year at 54 n fast bionic guerrilla and mighty freeze being 2 good luck with your work

[BigNoise]

Absent continued selection for the "S" pheno, I assume Leb27S will revert to V2 characteristics on average?

[SmokeyTheSkunk]

Originally Posted by Bobmonk388

your right all hybrids except maybe royal dane and monk not sure exactly whats in what but these 2 are very homogenous and early i see your lat is 56 to 58 north so you want early lol i used a monk male to knock up some stuff last year at 54 n fast bionic guerrilla and mighty freeze being 2 good luck with your work

Check tgc when you can Bob. Mon the season!

[brock1]

I can't find the post esben made but here is the post quoted post by brobig on a UK site.


Esben says it's his earliest finisher.
from the man himself
"Monk I found in Jutland, it's been growing here since the 70ies and is very well adopted to our bad conditions. It originates from marrooco. It is not the strongest in potens but is super early and resistant and a good yielder.
Peace. Esben"

I hope this help and is what your looking for Sibbeli?

[Cola Candy]

Homogeneity and IBL are not the same thing. A good F1 cross should be homogenous, as should an IBL. Just because a strain is uniform, it doesn't necessarily mean crossing and male and a female will produce offspring with the same traits the parents express.