[smurfin'herb]

Originally Posted by DJM

thanks..well i run trees.. so shoving 100 in a dome isn't necessary, as i only run 30...so only need 5 domes and root 50, then pick the best 30 out of them..also what other peoples definition of a clone isn't the same as mine..i root huge clones..only from main tops ..while most root tiny secondary branches..with big clones, you cant fit more than 12 in a dome max with them that big..if you do, leaves will over lap and it will effect rooting and general clone health...you can get 100% with 72 a dome..shit ive done 100% on 50 a dome many times..i do what i do for a reason..you can root 72 , sure, but how large are they? i guarantee you would need to veg them 2 weeks to be the size of mine after rooting

pure coco ; house and garden or plagron

during stretch its dependent on how many they need to stay wet..can be as little as 2-4 a day or 6..depends

i personally like pure coco but perlite mixes work well in some scenarios

i use straight tap water...i never use calmag

id never flower right at transplant, they veg a min of 2 weeks before flowering after transplant..flowering a plant without a root system is like trying to run a marathon with crutches

ferts are constantly changing, right now running a no name brand of water soluble ferts..called aqua grow hydroponic special..first grow posted was 6/9 and tap

Thanks for the reply DJM.
When i was stuffing trays, i could get 72, 5" clones in there. Your right tho, they dont turn out as good and strong as if you did lesser density. I rarely failed using the 50 site trays with rapid rooters. Those prepackaged deals they sell are pretty much idiot proof. The quality from the 50 sites was always pretty decent. Remember, more times than not, a small cutting will root faster than a larger cutting. I would like to do a side by side and compare growth rates after a few weeks of say 4" cuttings vs. 6" cuttings. I wonder if the small ones will catch up before the big ones get rooted up, and start growing. Now days Im like you. Take big healthy cuts from the tops.

I used to flower straight from clone with maybe a one day veg after transplant if i was feeling generous. We used to pull single plant 2 liter colas all day long. We were getting around 2lbs per 600watt light this way. They were sativa dom hybrids, so the shock at transplant would help keep them short, preventing them from stretching. This allowed for higher plant count. Instead of ending up being 3 foot tall with a wide structure and aux buds, each plant was about 1.5 feet tall with one single cola. 24 plants per light with an average of about 38-40g per plant. This was in cap ebb n grows tho with hydroton, not coco. The only reason i quit doing it this way is because once you pass a certain threshold in bud size, the quality starts to go down the shitter. At least with the variety i was working with. Coco gives best quality imo. I attribute it in part to its release of potash during decomp. Potash is the macro element responsible for quality and, overall health of the plants.

I didnt know plagron, and house and garden made coco. Interesting.

Have you used the plagron nutrient line before? Results?

[WaxyTaxi]

I have so many ideas that I want to try now. Thanks for keeping the fire lit, and passing on the torch! This is some serious growth and info.

I'm using Growstones GS-1 with my coco, and they seem to love it. I like them because you can reuse them while the perlite just turns to dust at the end of my runs.

VPD...any good links/threads to help monitor and maintain?

[WaxyTaxi]

Good to see ya back Don

Pulling up a seat

[moses wellfleet]

Thank you for helping the community like this by taking the time to post up all your stuff!

[squarepush3r]

I got a question! You say you feed 6 times a day during lights on, so I don't know what the times are, but have you considered a recycle timer, and do a watering schedule like "5 seconds every 1 minute" or something to make it more of like a constant water during lights on (while of course having it dialed in not going to run off). Would a recycle time like 60x feed a day be better than 6x a day?

Just curious what you thought or if probably it would be worth the hassle

[Treetroit City]

Originally Posted by squarepush3r

I got a question! You say you feed 6 times a day during lights on, so I don't know what the times are, but have you considered a recycle timer, and do a watering schedule like "5 seconds every 1 minute" or something to make it more of like a constant water during lights on (while of course having it dialed in not going to run off). Would a recycle time like 60x feed a day be better than 6x a day?

Just curious what you thought or if probably it would be worth the hassle

Seems a .25 gph dripper would give the same 3 gallons that the plant gets in it's 12.

[DJM]

Originally Posted by smurfin'herb

Thanks for the reply DJM.
When i was stuffing trays, i could get 72, 5" clones in there. Your right tho, they dont turn out as good and strong as if you did lesser density. I rarely failed using the 50 site trays with rapid rooters. Those prepackaged deals they sell are pretty much idiot proof. The quality from the 50 sites was always pretty decent. Remember, more times than not, a small cutting will root faster than a larger cutting. I would like to do a side by side and compare growth rates after a few weeks of say 4" cuttings vs. 6" cuttings. I wonder if the small ones will catch up before the big ones get rooted up, and start growing. Now days Im like you. Take big healthy cuts from the tops.

I used to flower straight from clone with maybe a one day veg after transplant if i was feeling generous. We used to pull single plant 2 liter colas all day long. We were getting around 2lbs per 600watt light this way. They were sativa dom hybrids, so the shock at transplant would help keep them short, preventing them from stretching. This allowed for higher plant count. Instead of ending up being 3 foot tall with a wide structure and aux buds, each plant was about 1.5 feet tall with one single cola. 24 plants per light with an average of about 38-40g per plant. This was in cap ebb n grows tho with hydroton, not coco. The only reason i quit doing it this way is because once you pass a certain threshold in bud size, the quality starts to go down the shitter. At least with the variety i was working with. Coco gives best quality imo. I attribute it in part to its release of potash during decomp. Potash is the macro element responsible for quality and, overall health of the plants.

I didnt know plagron, and house and garden made coco. Interesting.

Have you used the plagron nutrient line before? Results?

That is true about small clones rooting faster than large clones..This use to be the case for me..But is also one of the reasons I dialed in my technique around rooting large cuts, and why I only put 10 per dome..And hydrate cuts pre plug and soak plugs in a mild solution..with 10 per dome, kept uncrowded, from thriving health tops, large clone root just as fast as small ones for me. No difference at all. As mentioned I have large cuts poke out roots by day 6-7 and ready to transplant by day 10..i don't see how you could get any quicker than that with small cuts...large cuts also have more surface area on the stem, leading to more root shoots and a more vigorous and abundant roots system..Meaning faster growth after transplant..i also have one shaved node under the surface of the plug ontop of the 45 degree angle at the bottom, so roots shoot out of the sides, not only the bottom..Rooting is one element of growing that I can honestly say I have dialed back to front. I see very little room for improvement
I haven't noticed a difference in quality with larger colas or plants..Unless they were grown in a un ideal environment or were to close to the light..In most gardens the main colas are way to close to the light, leading to larger tops, yes, but also a drop in quality..As the closer you get to the bulb, the hotter and drier the air is..It all goes back to proper temps in relation to rh

Yes , h and g and plagron both make coco...Both great consistency and quality..I will say plagron is probably a little better in terms of texture..But not by much..Ive germinated seedling and rooted clones in both straight out of the bag with nothing but great results.. Apparently plagron comes from the same plant as canna coco, just different distributors. Its also very reasonably priced, I get a 50 lt bag for 18 dollars, h and g is 20 a bag..I use whichever one they have in stock

Never used plagron nutrients

[DJM]

Originally Posted by WaxyTaxi

I have so many ideas that I want to try now. Thanks for keeping the fire lit, and passing on the torch! This is some serious growth and info.

I'm using Growstones GS-1 with my coco, and they seem to love it. I like them because you can reuse them while the perlite just turns to dust at the end of my runs.

VPD...any good links/threads to help monitor and maintain?

My pleasure..I agree on coco turning to dust..Chances are I will end up cutting with hydroton in early veg..Ive gotten sample packs of growstones but never used them

Here is a vpd chart..Follow it and dial the rh in relation to the temps you are running. For lights on and lights off. Monitoring and maintaining levels will be up to the controller in you're room. And how you dial it in. I wouldn't be able to do it consistently without my controller

[DJM]

^The green blocks are ideal VPD levels for RH, in relation to the temps. So stay inside that and youre good