[Beta Test Team]

So, being very heavily involved in the legal recreational and medical industries (all aspects of growing, processing, breeding, R&D, etc.), I have to say here in WA things suck! WA is a total joke and failure thus far - it's like they want WA to fail. Thus far less than 25% of business applications have been processed, more than 12 months after they were given to the state(!). CO is better than WA, but CO isn't near as good as OR.

I think in the next year or two WA State will improve its very lackluster industry rules, to stop handicapping businesses and help the industry grow, not stagnate.

Here's a neat comparison OR put out:
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana...comparison.pdf

Here is the FAQ Oregon posted for the new law, which stipulates the state must start accepting business applications no later than January 4th, 2016. The law itself goes into effect on July 1st, 2015:
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana...ana_in_General

Here's the OR state webportal for their cannabis laws:
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/pages/default.aspx

This month I'm moving down southern WA, right next to OR, to take part in both state industries, because OR isn't likely to require owners or investors to be residents of the state, but WA does.

Below are my crib notes about why OR is great. The only bad thing about OR is its lack of people (even less than WA), but I think drug tourism from CA and WA (due to much lower prices in OR) will make up for that, a bit:

-- Out-of-state investors and/or owners are likely to be allowed

-- The medical market is untouched and will be in existence alongside of recreational.

-- There will be a lot of drug tourism, with Washington State above Oregon, and California below, where in both states the price per gram for medical and recreational (in WA) is considerably more than in Oregon.

-- No limit on number of licenses statewide or on number and types of licenses held by one company.

-- Delivery of cannabis is allowed, e.g. home delivery.

-- Low tax rate for both business and planned cannabis sales at $35 per ounce from the producer (unlike in WA where it’s 25% at all three stages for cannabis sales); a main goal of Oregon’s recreational law is to keep prices affordable. I think this only increases customer base by encouraging more people to buy, and more people to travel to OR from other states for drug tourism.

-- Local governments aren’t allowed to impose their own local taxes on recreational Cannabis businesses.

-- Local governments aren’t allowed to ban recreational business except by a majority vote of their constituents.

-- Any person over 21 years of age and grow 4 plants at home and have 8 ounces, starting July 1st, 2015. It think this only increases customer base by introducing more people to Cannabis.

-- The Governor and state Reps. strongly support the new law.

-- By 2016 the IRS rule 280-E and the banking issue should be resolved, at least for states that have legal Cannabis markets – a huge win.

[shaggyballs]

This looks like a good thing for OR.
They also have preserved home growing...A+
I like the fact it will not be taxed over and over.
Low prices eliminate the black market too.

Your right about no people, the rainforest may play a role there. If your a hunter your golden!
I know a guy who was lost for 3 days.
I know for a fact one could also find some quality car stereo and electronics from Audio control out there too.

Anyway
The law looks very acceptable.
Ya gotta be a lawyer to read all the fine print, but that, they are good for!

Best of luck to OR.
Keep fightin' the good fight.
Do your part smoke one then get out and vote!


shag

[flat9]

Originally Posted by Beta Test Team

So, being very heavily involved in the legal recreational and medical industries (all aspects of growing, processing, breeding, R&D, sales, et. al.), I have to say here in WA things suck! WA is a total joke and failure thus far - it's like they want WA to fail. Thus far less than 25% of business applications have been processed, more than 12 months after they were given to the state(!). CO is better than WA, but CO isn't near as good as OR.

I think in the next year or two WA State will improve its very lackluster industry rules, to stop handicapping businesses and help the industry grow, not stagnate.

Here's a neat comparison OR put out:
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana...comparison.pdf

Here is the FAQ Oregon posted for the new law, which stipulates the state must start accepting business applications no later than January 4th, 2016. The law itself goes into effect on July 1st, 2015:
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana...ana_in_General

Here's the OR state webportal for their cannabis laws:
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/pages/default.aspx

This month I'm moving down southern WA, right next to OR, to take part in both state industries, because OR isn't likely to require owners or investors to be residents of the state, but WA does.

Below are my crib notes about why OR is great. The only bad thing about OR is it's lack of people (even less than WA), but I think drug tourism from CA and WA (due to much lower prices in OR) will make up for that, a bit:

-- Out-of-state investors and/or owners are likely to be allowed

-- The medical market is untouched and will be in existence alongside of recreational.

-- There will be a lot of drug tourism, with Washington State above Oregon, and California below, where in both states the price per gram for medical and recreational (in WA) is considerably more than in Oregon.

-- No limit on number of licenses statewide of licenses held by one company.

-- Delivery of cannabis is allowed, e.g. home delivery.

-- Low tax rate for both business and planned cannabis sales at $35 per ounce from the producer (unlike in WA where it’s 25% at all three stages for cannabis sales); a main goal of Oregon’s recreational law is to keep prices affordable. I think this only increases customer base by encouraging more people to buy, and more people to travel to OR from other states for drug tourism.

-- Local governments aren’t allowed to impose their own local taxes on recreational cannabis businesses.

-- Local governments aren’t allowed to ban recreational business except by a majority vote of their constituents.

-- Any person over 21 years of age and grow 4 plants at home and have 8 ounces, starting July 1st, 2015. It think this only increases customer base by introducing more people to cannabis.

-- The Governor and state Reps. strongly support the new law.

-- By 2016 the IRS rule 280-E and the banking issue should be resolved, at least for states that have legal cannabis markets – a huge win.

Brilliant info. Thanks bro!

[Beta Test Team]

You're welcome flat9.

And Shaggy, yup, OR seems to have their head on straight (fingers crossed it stays that way!). I haven't been back to CO in maybe 6 years, would like to visit Denver and other 'hot spots' to see how the scene is developing there.

[oneofus]

and, iirc, there is only a $250 application fee and another $1000 for a grower/producer license. I think the fees etc. are a bit higher in CO.

[Beta Test Team]

Thanks for the info oneofus. Overall OR seems to have the most sane rules, with lowest tax rates and other costs.

[cALyXtech1]

Thank you very much for taking the time to create such a informative post Beta!

I just re registered here @ icmag after several years of inactivity as I have made a major decision to sell my house, quit my job and move west and follow my dreams.

I currently live in the midwest and have been an enthusiast for 20 years. I have traveled to A-dam several times in pursuit of my passion and have had MANY indoor ops and years of coinciding scissor time under my belt.

I have made a decision to peruse the passion I have for horticulture that I have had to hide and keep secret my whole life in a NON legal State by moving to OR to get into the industry I love so much without looking in my rear view mirror with fear of prosecution.

Your post is just the thing I have been searching for since I have made my decision.

I am researching housing opportunity's currently and I have spoken with the Franchise/ownership group of the business I currently work for that has the OR territory so I will have employment opportunity to start as well.

I have a background in retail and commercial sales as well as management in these arenas and would love the opportunity to find employment in the industry as well as being a caregiver/greenhouse operations manager.

It would be nice if there was an accredited consulting firm in place for a guy like me to sit down and discuss the best utilization and implementation of the skill set and available resources I have to bring to the table and advise me on how to do it right the first time when making a major life changing cross country move like this.

For now I will put my hope in the hands of friendly and knowledgeable members of IC mag like yourself to help guide my way and keep me safe.

[Bradley_Danks]

I'm glad you made this post. I am a medical grower around Portland, Oregon who is currently in negotiations with a number of farmers in the area who are preparing to transition over to large scale LEGAL grows over the next 2 years in order to supply OLCC with fine bud. Although there is a lot of places here to grow bud the price for herb is CHEAP. I see top shelf indoor herb on the black market go for $100 an oz all the time. The dispenseries can charge like $200 or more but they face a lot of competition and high supply of good herb. The downside of Oregon is you may see your precious herbs go for bottom prices. My growing mentor and others have moved away from Oregon to places like Alaska in order to pursue a fair price for their crops.

Oh and another benefit of growing in Oregon, no sales tax.

[friendly530]

i might move to the state of Jefferson southern Oregon look it up if you haven't heard

[Jhhnn]

Originally Posted by bigdank

I'm glad you made this post. I am a medical grower around Portland, Oregon who is currently in negotiations with a number of farmers in the area who are preparing to transition over to large scale LEGAL grows over the next 2 years in order to supply OLCC with fine bud. Although there is a lot of places here to grow bud the price for herb is CHEAP. I see top shelf indoor herb on the black market go for $100 an oz all the time. The dispenseries can charge like $200 or more but they face a lot of competition and high supply of good herb. The downside of Oregon is you may see your precious herbs go for bottom prices. My growing mentor and others have moved away from Oregon to places like Alaska in order to pursue a fair price for their crops.

Oh and another benefit of growing in Oregon, no sales tax.

I think that indoor growing for profit simply won't exist in Oregon. Price competition from outdoor herb will prevent it. Legal outdoor growing is also a big advantage for personal growers, as well.

One of the things that high licensing fees in CO accomplishes is that it assures there won't be a market glut. Well, not so far anyway. It also keeps small outlaw growers in the game, too. Oregon farmers may be able to collectively farm themselves right out of making a profit in the state market, tempting them to engage in still illegal interstate commerce.

As we're seeing here in CO, anybody caught doing so really, really gets their balls busted off. The Feds won't put your head on a pike outside the federal courthouse, but you might wish that they had.