[Mad Lab]

Thanks again for your advice.

After 6 months of research and planning, I finally feel like I've sorted out the foundation of the business model in my mind, which is allowing me to relax a little, lol.

The only things I can't foresee or budget is the plumbing costs(for my HPA drain to waste) Electrical upgrade costs/ Location acquisition.

Oregon is already limited in the amount of available production space for lease and alot of people are already securing space a year before the launch date. I'm curious to see if the outer metro area light-industrial buildings will be available much longer.

What is your advice on securing a location. Should I do it months before I could use it or do you think it's possible to wait for licensing before signing a lease?

[Critter]

Yeah my bad I thought it was weird that you woulndt know with a legal background...yes the charge shows up but this

"So when the Oregon Alcohol Board is reviewing this and they see FELONY BURGLARY arrest, I would assume in most cases they would at least consider this as a case for denial. I am aware both WA and OR state denys based on Manufactoring and Distributing convictions going back 5 years."

key term "manufactoring and distribution Conviction" there was no felony conviction

Good discussion and great info being shared
Just giving my two cents no malice here...

[Mad Lab]

Originally Posted by Critter

Yeah my bad I thought it was weird that you woulndt know with a legal background...yes the charge shows up but this

"So when the Oregon Alcohol Board is reviewing this and they see FELONY BURGLARY arrest, I would assume in most cases they would at least consider this as a case for denial. I am aware both WA and OR state denys based on Manufactoring and Distributing convictions going back 5 years."

key term "manufactoring and distribution Conviction" there was no felony conviction

Good discussion and great info being shared
Just giving my two cents no malice here...

When reading Measure 91 for Oregon it states:

(2) The Oregon Liquor Control Commission may refuse to license
any applicant under the provisions of sections 3 to 70 of this Act if the commission has reasonable ground to believe any of the following to be true:

(F) Is not of good repute and moral character.

(D) Has been convicted of violating a general or local
law of this state or another state, or of violating a federal law,
if the conviction is substantially related to the fitness and ability of
the applicant to lawfully carry out activities under the license.

But continue to state:

(3) Notwithstanding subparagraph (D) of paragraph (b) of subsection (2) of this section, in determining whether the commission may refuse to license an applicant, the commission may not consider the prior conviction of the applicant or any owner, director, officer,
manager, employee, agent, or other representative of the applicant for:

(a) The manufacture of marijuana, if:
(A) The date of the conviction is more than five years before t
he date of the application; and
(B) The person has not been convicted more than once for the manufacture or delivery of marijuana;
(b) The delivery of marijuana to a person 21 years of age or older, if:
(A) The date of the conviction is more than five years before the date of the application; and
(B) The person has not been convicted more than once for the manufacture or delivery of marijuana





So I'm just curious if petty theft or something lets say, like insurance fraud misdemeanor, past 5 years ago, would be in violation of F and D.

[Critter]

I get ya totally

However...I Bet it boils down to how they interpret his charge against
" if the conviction is substantially related to the fitness and ability of
the applicant to lawfully carry out activities under the license."

Maybe hard to deny and prove fitness and ability.

Def something to research look into for more info on past precedence for licensing similar situations.

I bet they wont give two shits but i don't know for sure because it depends a lot on the particulars of the crime involved.
I think he will be fine though with the info you've shared on the situation.

[Mad Lab]

Originally Posted by Critter

I get ya totally

However...I Bet it boils down to how they interpret his charge against
" if the conviction is substantially related to the fitness and ability of
the applicant to lawfully carry out activities under the license."

Maybe hard to deny and prove fitness and ability.

Def something to research look into for more info on past precedence for licensing similar situations.

I bet they wont give two shits but i don't know for sure because it depends a lot on the particulars of the crime involved.
I think he will be fine though with the info you've shared on the situation.

Thanks for your input.

I think your right and it is one less thing I should worry about.

My biggest problem securing a location.



I liked the idea of eventually expanding to an area like Bend, OR where there is an average of 300 days of sun a year, dry warm climate, high desert. A cool town and good for a greenhouse.

[SirStynkalot]

Plumbing and electrical you'll need to figure out with your building contractor. Budget for 1.5-2x whatever he/she pitches you. Plumbing's not too bad usually but wiring is really expensive.

Land's going to be hard. A good real estate agent's going to be the best way to go if you know one who won't screw you. If not, there are tools available online on government websites to sift through zoning maps for available properties for our uses, but they're a pain to use. Took me a couple weeks to really figure out how to use our county's zoning and property map interface.

[stoned-trout]

Originally Posted by Marco61

I always found the notion of banning felons with previous cannabis charges a bit ridiculous and malicious. Almost like big business are writing the laws to harm their main competition. Those people who grew and provided people with high quality product during the years of prohibition should not be prevented from participation. Those who were arrested and had their lives turned upside down during the years of prohibition have sacrificed a lot so people could smoke when there were no cannabis stores you could visit. Telling them it is still illegal to operate when everyone else has the right to is the biggest sucker punch ever. All cannabis rights advocates should be trying to keep these people included. Otherwise it just looks like "Well I got mine, to hell with you."

ya that

[Mad Lab]

Originally Posted by SirStynkalot

Plumbing and electrical you'll need to figure out with your building contractor. Budget for 1.5-2x whatever he/she pitches you. Plumbing's not too bad usually but wiring is really expensive.

What will I be using the contractor for? Splitting up large rooms if need be. But what else?

I understand my needs for the plumber, electrician and security installment but what else besides carpentry work will i need from the building contractor exactly?

[Mad Lab]

Sorry I know it sounds like a stupid question but ive never had to work directly with a building contractor and im just interested to know exactly what it entails regarding exactly what they do. Just hire them and they hire their own electrician etc?

[SirStynkalot]

There is a minefield of permits and paperwork that experience is basically required for. Not technically "required" but it'll be damn near impossible to navigate on your own. If you were, say, renovating your kitchen then the permitting process would just be to drive down to city hall and drop off a notification of remodeling along with a $50 application fee or some such nonsense. If you're doing commercial instead of residential you'll need a contractor, and if you're doing commercial in this industry you'll need a really good contractor to get you through the rows upon rows of hoops the bureaucrats are going to throw at you beyond what they do for every other industry.

Uhm they also work with the architect and any engineers you might bring on, and the architect is going to have a big job. Again, permitting. You won't get anywhere without at least an architect's stamp and possibly an engineer's as well, and that's just for changing the walls around. There will be a lot more than that that needs to be done even if you're just renovating a preexisting structure. Re-insulate, completely redo the HVAC, change the plumbing to make water available where you need it to be without creating electrocution risks if, say, a running light falls and breaks on the floor, etc.

But yeah. the simple version is they've been building shit in your area for a long time, so they'll know which subcontractors are needed for which jobs, which subcontractors in the area are most honest and experienced, and they will be able to manage them in terms of keeping their different chunks of the job in order and getting them on the site to do their work on schedule and as efficiently as possible. If you're REALLY lucky, you might get one who is also on a first name basis with some of the local bureaucrats you'll need to sign off on your project. A little shoulder rubbing goes a long way toward smoothing out that part of the build-in.

There are also a whole host of things we do for small scale black market production that don't really scale well. A good building contractor might help you catch a couple of these. Don't wanna give away too many of those, though :P