[stihgnobevoli]

I was just reading a thread don't remember which one, but someone posted a pic of a poly hybrid and everyone else was like ooh ahhh i gotta get some of that. This was shortly after i was in a bagseed thread and everyone was "slagging off" (i love british slang) bagseed.

It made me think a little bit...

if you have say an OGK which is UBSxUBS (ubs = unkown bagseed) and you cross it to a well known strain like lets say jack herrer which itself is already a hybrid. then you take that poly hybrid cross and cross it to another polyhybrid cross like i dunno cookies crossed to GG#4. Two more polyhybrids the result is gonna be a mish mash of like 8+ different plants who may not even be related.

The end results are gonna be unstable, there's gonna be soooo much variation. So i'm like what the fuck? why not just grow bagseeds? why essentially MAKE bagseed, then give it a pretty name, while talking shit about bagseed which most likely has less sperm donors in the pool?

I'm talking about mexican bagseed mostly. but also bagseeds from some unknown strain someone told you was blue martian space kake. whatever the fuck that even is.

Thoughts? are these multipolyhybrids akin to plain old bagseed as for chances of getting whats on the picture? Would you still buy that concoction up there ^^^ over a mexican bagseed which is most likely some sativa crossed to another sativa male they missed?

[StankyBeamer]

Because with bag seed you have no clue. With "mashed up" poly hybrids you can cross known traits, and the f1 generation of any cross is stable to a certain point. I would say outdoor bagseed from Mexico is less stable than the polys I run as far as intersex traits and bud formation and frost. Try spending money on genetics, its a worthy investment

[stoned-trout]

great for finding a new mom tho....so many possible choices in the offspring

[WelderDan]

That is the state of things. Back in the day, "bag seed" was pretty reliable. We got lots of good Mex and Colombian, and the bag seed produced what you would expect. Thin leaved long flowering sativa.

Now, it's no telling what you might get if you pop some bag seed. Unless it's Mexi-brick, it will likely produce a poly-hybrid plant. And judging by some of the bag seed I've popped, it is often better than the pot it came from.

So yeah, I agree a lot of the most popular cuts are just poly-hybrid bag-seed (if we are to believe some of the origin stories). Hell, almost all of the seed bank offerings are poly-bybrid to start with. Cross strain A with strain B, and it just gets muddier, like the 8 plus strain crosses you mention.

I would love to see more of the old stuff we got back in the day, but few people have the time and patience to grow a 12-14 week plant. Certainly none of the commercial guys that can barely wait 8 weeks.

And on the other hand, variety is nice. With all those different ancestors, you might get 8 different phenos, but the those genes combining at random can produce something unique. That's kinda fun, unless you are trying to stabilize it.

[stihgnobevoli]

Originally Posted by stoned-trout

great for finding a new mom tho....so many possible choices in the offspring

yes true. but so is unknown bagseed.

the whole point of buying seed. IMHO. was to find stable true breeding cultivars no? if i wanted random chances i'd just stick with bagseed.

[TheRealHash]

Bagseed is usually going to be made by hermaphrodite pollen. To me that makes it undesirable.

In my experience a polyhybrid will rarely have some stability, but I have seen some uniformity in my Silver Haze x Animal Cookie.

[VerdantGreen]

as said, some people just want to find that one killer pheno in a pack or two and make a mother plant from it. poly hybrids are good for that.

personally i prefer ibls and proper F1 hybrids etc, but different tastes for diferent people.

VG

[StankyBeamer]

Yeah but what do you think you'll find a better mother in, some of your bagseed, or some of bodhis "unstable poly hybrids". I've got lots of good bagseed but it was always like the pot it came from. When I spend seventy bucks on a pack I get a seed mother made with world class genetics, as opposed to the bagseed you grow that comes from who the fuck knows and obviously is not world class. No offense stigh, but I've never had a pack not put out better phenos than your micro grow bagseed. You probably have some interesting finds, but I'll take my bodhi seeds over your UBS any day. And just to prove I'm not against bagseed, here's a nevilles haze bagseed that I've been running for quite awhile, so it's not like I don't think u can find good bud from bagseed

[bigbag]

Skunk#1 is a poly hybrid and still one of the few true breeding ones. Hard to argue it's staying power, for breeder's, cropper's and user's...one of the world's most famous strain's without ? It's all in what your trying to accomplish within a poly...many elite clones have emerged this way

[mojave green]

Originally Posted by bigbag

Skunk#1 is a poly hybrid and still one of the few true breeding ones. Hard to argue it's staying power, for breeder's, cropper's and user's...one of the world's most famous strain's without ? It's all in what your trying to accomplish within a poly...many elite clones have emerged this way

and therein lies the rub. what exactly are modern cannabis breeders trying to accomplish? i don't see much focus on disease/pest resistance for example. i don't see any focus at all actually, which is fine, but the whole poly hybrid scene perplexes me.