[Nspecta]

I'm curious what folk's experiences have been with breeding with hermaphroditic males? What have the results been in the progeny when using these males that show a few stigmas? Are there more or less herm's in the progeny? I'm very interested in what everyone has seen...and pics of herm males are definitely encouraged.

[Miraculous Meds]

I haven't used these but im all ears. I have one that show female on top but male on bottom. One that just has 2 female pistils and the rest is male. and one that is mixed female/male parts.

Check out the thread in my sig, posts 109, and 110.

[wallywombat]

do a search on Dj Short on reverse hermies aka males that throw pistils

i have a dj short blueberry male that is throwing female pistils at the moment I've stressed the fuck out of it , will be interested to do a pollen chuck with this he/she

[Miraculous Meds]

Ive read that, im betting nspecta has too. Problem is the writing is pretty vague to me and im not sure what the differences are between a backward hermy and a regular one.

See my first pic in the post above? that male only threw 2 female pistils. Does this qualify in ur mind a reverse hermy?

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Ns.WW

The more males I flower out the more male herms I`m seeing .
I guess most don`t get as far into flower to express the intersex . Most are culled at the 1st sign of a ball .

Got a rude shock to find my latest stud had pistils .

Intersex is intersex whether its male or female . I would avoid it myself .

I have read DJ`s writings , listened to him on Pod Casts . I think he`s got some hippy ideas that I don`t agree with myself .
eg Organic tastes better ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

[Sam_Skunkman]

If you use intersexed males or females the progeny is likely to be intersex. Like begets like. When you grow a few plants that can be watched over it is not so much problem for growers to prevent intersex from making problems with pollen flying around. With a big grow it is a recipe for disaster. Try checking thousands of big female plants daily for intersex male flowers? Stupid waste of time. Kill intersex, or at least do not use them for breeding, unless you are breeding them to get rid of the intersex.
-SamS

[kopite]

In my experience it was passed to the next gen and increased as would be expected, in the outcross it was less prevalent, but still appeared so I'm of the opinion it's a heritable trait. I've seen others say they have bred with them and seen no intersex! I'd like to know if it was an outcross they did and if they bred it another gen to see if any appeared.

I did my tests with 2 crosses those being Soma's NYCDxG13haze and Bog's LSD, both with the same results, I strongly suspect the males used were not strictly males to begin with but had no PCR machine at the time.

@ Elmer I find organic def tastes better but that's just me!...

[idiit]

i pretty much follow sam's ^ advice. i'm a guerrilla grower and i stay out of my gardens unless absolutely necessary. a random herme pollen sac or two can be devistating. however. i work with landraces and many landraces don't have large populations of hermie free males; zamal being the best example.

i've worked with lightly hermie males in choco chiba, angola red, zamal and the progeny seed stock was usable; the female progeny did not show hermies. i do inline breeding trying to find pure non hermie males in these lines for further line breeding but you can end up reducing genetic diversity doing so.

Elmer I find organic def tastes better but that's just me!...

^ organic does tend to taste sweeter, better.

[Mustafunk]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

If you use intersexed males or females the progeny is likely to be intersex.

Thanks for the info... that's what I've been told plenty times, but sometimes certain people seem to prefer to keep and use them to avoid "loosing too much genetic information" when reproducing a certain strain.

I think this is ridiculous because such a small scale reproduction is already a very poor genetic preservation (probably you would need thousands of plants for a plant like cannabis to preserve a good number of genes and diversity) and if you don't even get rid of hermies, then it's a complete waste of time in my opinion. The line would be even worse than it was when you got it... so let's at least clean the intersex plants please, so the next people growing the line won't have to waste their time in another hermie-clean up before growing a proper run or breeding with the strain.

With all due respect to DJ Short and his achievements, that phrases he wrote on his book about the outstanding qualities of reverse hermaphrodite males whatsoever are just pure spectulation without any scientific fundament. So basically bullshit if you ask me. Of course there are many intersex plants that have great qualities and smoke awesome (it's a pity, but a coincidence too), but it's just about growing enough plants to find an oustanding one with proper firm sex and get a good parent plant to use for breeding, right?

Just my 2 cents,
Vibes.

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

If you use intersexed males or females the progeny is likely to be intersex. Like begets like. When you grow a few plants that can be watched over it is not so much problem for growers to prevent intersex from making problems with pollen flying around. With a big grow it is a recipe for disaster. Try checking thousands of big female plants daily for intersex male flowers? Stupid waste of time. Kill intersex, or at least do not use them for breeding, unless you are breeding them to get rid of the intersex.
-SamS

G`day Sam

The phrase in bold is intriguing .
How do you go about breeding out the intersex ? A cross to another variety , then running numbers and excluding intersex from the breeders of the next gen ? or ??

@ Kop
Good to see your still lurking bro .

Thanks for sharin

EB .