[DONAJTHEIII]

Originally Posted by SmellyFlorist

......... small pictures.... sorry....

Dude smelly you need to isolate that blue dream the other plants look brutal with that tacoing etc.


I lost alot of genetics to these before people like storm,retro, etc helped all of us out. I only got to keep one mom that bluedream looks like itll be your keeper mom.

Throw the bad shit out trust me.

You need to get a mom that you can grow out and focus on keeping clean then you can take your own cuttings. Trust me i tried this fight so long. Throw the crap out and keep the best looking things and focus on those.

Ive used the heat treatments to keep bugs away after hitting them with chems. I grew my one little kksc babe that I cut back so bad literally only was a stump with a branch ahaha took me two in a half months to make it a mom. literally my only plant. I then killed her and took all new cuttings. Been clean ever since. I stopped using chems now its only predators for me havent looked back since.


The problem with your heat treatment is not about getting the area heated . Do not put them in direct light raise those lights give them a good watering too. They need to be away from Direct sunlight and direct heat being given off by space heaters.

Heat treatments have only killed plants in my garden that were user errors and I can tell you this by personal exp.


Next time put the blue dream in the corner of the room away from direct heat/light. Its all about the room temp. and getting high humidity.



AJAE

[Miraculous Meds]

Originally Posted by SmellyFlorist

......... small pictures.... sorry....

no worries u just click on them to make them bigger. works for me. yeah I feel u on going to fast. u got to take ur time and double check everything when doing a new treatment like this. learn ur lessons so u don't make the same mistake again.

heres to better times and healthier plants. smoke u one, get some perspective and make the best out of it.

[SmellyFlorist]

More pics....



lights on, heat starts...


clones after their sauna, looking like they enjoyed it....


and then........ one of the blue dreams... I think shes tryna say she didnt dig the sauna... maybe tad hot for her... sadly this is probs the best looking out of the mothers[16total].... hopefully she can make a turn around..... advice? the other genetics Ill have to clone back into new moms, timely....
Sorry bout head tilts again...
Hopefully this is the start to a cycle of successful "operation eradication" as eek-a-mouse would say....

[SmellyFlorist]

.... And some pics of last harvest...


8 weeks complete...


11 weeks complete....


Nug shot....

[RetroGrow]

About BMs, heat treatments, etc.:
Pyrethrums will not kill Broad, Cyclamen or Russett mites. Also, have never tried it on Russett mites. Don't know what the temperature is that will kill them. All bugs die at a certain temperature. Broad and cyclamen mites are particularly heat sensitive. Don't know about Russett mites
You need a 100X scope to see what you are up against, and if it's even a pest. You can get a cheap one in Radio Shack or on Amazon for $10, Not the best, but works. Although a good scope with attached camera is the best investment you can make, so you don't have to guess about what you are dealing with, and can take and post pictures of whatever it is. Plants with broad mites usually have twisted leaves, which I am not seeing on your pictures. I would not treat for anything without confirming by scope.
Important with heat treatment: NO FANS. Hot air blowing on plants will damage leaves. Don't have space heaters blowing on plants. Raise plants off the floor, as hot air rises ,and keep space heaters under plants. Put something under plants, like another pot inverted, or anything to raise them up. Important: make sure plants are completely hydrated. Looks like you are in coco, so that coco should be soaked first. Looks a bit dry in the picture. You want it wet.
Nowadays, a scope is not an optional thing. So many pests being spread by dispensaries and selling/trading of clones, that you really need a microscope to know what you are dealing with. All new additions should be quarantined.

[Miraculous Meds]

I have had that exact type of leaf damage and im not a bug specialist but the bugs that I did see with a 100x scope looked a lot like cyclamen mites, and broads/cyclamens are treated the same way from my reading.

[RetroGrow]

Originally Posted by Miraculous Meds

Retro, what do u mean by meristem?

Im not 100% but Im pretty sure I have broad or cyclamen and I can see them on the leaf near the vien and petiole. They sure didn't look like the russet mite. Also does russet mite damage look like the op's damage, cause when I google broads, it shows pics of damage that looks like the ops, and mine when I had them previously. In short whats the common damage of russets compared to broads?
thnks

Meristem is the new growth shoots, typically curled up, providing tasty shoots and a place to hide from predators and the light.
I'm not saying he doesn't have broad mites. Just saying that broad mites typically cause a twisting of the leaves, which is quite distinctive. Russetts are bigger, and they eat more of the plant, leaving bare looking stems, whereas broad mites do their damage not by the amount they eat, which is small, but rather by the toxins they inject, which mess up the plants, even if it's only a small number of mites. Aspirin will mitigate the effects of the toxins by jump starting the plant's immune system, and should be started as soon as you notice anything suspicious.

[SmellyFlorist]

@ RetroGrow.... thank sooo much for checking back in....
Im starting to hear you on the scope thing, I often need to be spoken to more than once... Ill have to pop back into town asap, an have a good scratch around, place it so third world thou...
Probs got a better chance of borrowing one from a doc or something...
Theres a bidding site or two in the country, had a quik search, cheapest was $500 dollars when converted, everything once here is ten times the price... I could get digi ballasts, 7 hour drive, and the 400w ones start at $500.... bout two months of minimum wage... not bitching, just giving some context...
But Im beginning to understand I really need that scope..... how can I fight something properly if I dont even know wtf it is... right.
An update of the clones after their heat treatment: I didnt water coz they were still pretty heavy, just spray with asprin, left them in the kitchen for the day, no HID. Then I decided to spray the flats floors, this is something I probs woulda done anyway, Its spring here now an its rained everyday for the last ten, other night we got 100mm. mostly thou its just drizzel, but honestly it can rain everyday now till xmas, thundershowers, drizzle you name it, and with this comes the humidity... and it aint no joke... last summer it was hitting mid 70'sRH in the flat, outsides bout 34 degress C, but it feels bout 40, and Im right by the ocean... What all this means is that come spring theres just fleas everywhere.... I mean everywhere... and its not just my place, just about everyone who has dogs here that I know, has a problem with them, and moslty all of em spray verandas, garages etc... and its with chlorpyrifos..... I stay in amongst a farming community. The old man sprays fruit tress with the stuff, says it "kills everfuckingthing" and like I said, no health and safety here bro... so I spray the floors, it bout 60m2. One times fucking head ache an scratchy arms of note!! put some fans on, and left the place, me an pooch slept elsewhere. Went back down in the am an the place still reeks[I didnt spray plants]
During wake an bake I got them back under the light, got the loop out, and started breaking off leaves to inspect.... I went through 5 leaves... and then fuck, movement! I saw one[wateverthefuckitis] moving, more like twitching, spinning cycles, slowly but, I watched this fuck for 15minutes[I got decent eyes,bush spotting...] and it did seem not as active as before the one hour of minimum 120degreesF heat treatment[this activity is after the treatment...]
I also noticed that this one seemed a slighty darker colour, not brown, but more opaque in colour, perhaps further development in its life cycle, as the totally station ones are far more translucent, perhaps implying eggs or laver..
Im still amazed that I saw movement ie life after an hour of 50degeesC, there was a praying mantis stuck in there during round two, and he made it, although stuck in a crack by the timber door....
But fuck brah.... Im still pretty young, and I started balding three months back... its fucking stress I tell you! Im loosing a battle to a bunch of punks that are so small I cant even see.... fuuuuuuuck
I can try attempt a heat treatment again, I have access to a radiator heater tonight and 2mrw, but otherwise only those two stone age ones... but I know 100times scope is the first thing....
Fuck I hate loosing, like who does right, I however need to learn from this fuckup.... and get better equipment...
maybe even pulling two plants aside and treating with chlorpyrifos as an experiment to see if it kills watevs the fuck these things are, I think I need to accept that I might actually loose this set, hard thing to get my head around, but if I do, at the least I can try gain as much knowledge as I can bout this problem....
Like basically the moms are gone, I got 4 blue dreams badley wilted that could make it with some tlc, got any good tips on how to clean em up Retro...??

Theres a possibility that a mates mate could bring new genetics over december from the uk for me, good banks there.... fuck, you can see where my minds wonder to already.... but thats weeks away.... and cash, and if you feel me Im rather dependent apon our lil intrust...
Retro any advice would be very much appreciated...
I know Iv been rambling, but trying get this thing solved and tryna squeeze real work in[hasnt been successful] is such a mission... stressed.... and mayb you know what it feels like cause you been it the same situation[almost].....

[DONAJTHEIII]

Originally Posted by SmellyFlorist

@ RetroGrow.... thank sooo much for checking back in....
Im starting to hear you on the scope thing, I often need to be spoken to more than once... Ill have to pop back into town asap, an have a good scratch around, place it so third world thou...
Probs got a better chance of borrowing one from a doc or something...
Theres a bidding site or two in the country, had a quik search, cheapest was $500 dollars when converted, everything once here is ten times the price... I could get digi ballasts, 7 hour drive, and the 400w ones start at $500.... bout two months of minimum wage... not bitching, just giving some context...
But Im beginning to understand I really need that scope..... how can I fight something properly if I dont even know wtf it is... right.
An update of the clones after their heat treatment: I didnt water coz they were still pretty heavy, just spray with asprin, left them in the kitchen for the day, no HID. Then I decided to spray the flats floors, this is something I probs woulda done anyway, Its spring here now an its rained everyday for the last ten, other night we got 100mm. mostly thou its just drizzel, but honestly it can rain everyday now till xmas, thundershowers, drizzle you name it, and with this comes the humidity... and it aint no joke... last summer it was hitting mid 70'sRH in the flat, outsides bout 34 degress C, but it feels bout 40, and Im right by the ocean... What all this means is that come spring theres just fleas everywhere.... I mean everywhere... and its not just my place, just about everyone who has dogs here that I know, has a problem with them, and moslty all of em spray verandas, garages etc... and its with chlorpyrifos..... I stay in amongst a farming community. The old man sprays fruit tress with the stuff, says it "kills everfuckingthing" and like I said, no health and safety here bro... so I spray the floors, it bout 60m2. One times fucking head ache an scratchy arms of note!! put some fans on, and left the place, me an pooch slept elsewhere. Went back down in the am an the place still reeks[I didnt spray plants]
During wake an bake I got them back under the light, got the loop out, and started breaking off leaves to inspect.... I went through 5 leaves... and then fuck, movement! I saw one[wateverthefuckitis] moving, more like twitching, spinning cycles, slowly but, I watched this fuck for 15minutes[I got decent eyes,bush spotting...] and it did seem not as active as before the one hour of minimum 120degreesF heat treatment[this activity is after the treatment...]
I also noticed that this one seemed a slighty darker colour, not brown, but more opaque in colour, perhaps further development in its life cycle, as the totally station ones are far more translucent, perhaps implying eggs or laver..
Im still amazed that I saw movement ie life after an hour of 50degeesC, there was a praying mantis stuck in there during round two, and he made it, although stuck in a crack by the timber door....
But fuck brah.... Im still pretty young, and I started balding three months back... its fucking stress I tell you! Im loosing a battle to a bunch of punks that are so small I cant even see.... fuuuuuuuck
I can try attempt a heat treatment again, I have access to a radiator heater tonight and 2mrw, but otherwise only those two stone age ones... but I know 100times scope is the first thing....
Fuck I hate loosing, like who does right, I however need to learn from this fuckup.... and get better equipment...
maybe even pulling two plants aside and treating with chlorpyrifos as an experiment to see if it kills watevs the fuck these things are, I think I need to accept that I might actually loose this set, hard thing to get my head around, but if I do, at the least I can try gain as much knowledge as I can bout this problem....
Like basically the moms are gone, I got 4 blue dreams badley wilted that could make it with some tlc, got any good tips on how to clean em up Retro...??

Theres a possibility that a mates mate could bring new genetics over december from the uk for me, good banks there.... fuck, you can see where my minds wonder to already.... but thats weeks away.... and cash, and if you feel me Im rather dependent apon our lil intrust...
Retro any advice would be very much appreciated...
I know Iv been rambling, but trying get this thing solved and tryna squeeze real work in[hasnt been successful] is such a mission... stressed.... and mayb you know what it feels like cause you been it the same situation[almost].....

Im a little confused so you dont have a scope but you saw something moving ? With nothing but your eye ? nearly impossible if you have these pests there tiny literally microscopic. Like retro said you need to identify your enemy before doing anything.

I think your images show heavy infestation soooooo.....with that said


I told you to isolate one or two plants already and throw the other shit away because yeah most likely you will have to throw 99% of your shit away it allows you to concentrate on one lady and to really be through with her know what I mean ? and thats only if you want to keep prized genetics.

If not throw everything away clean your room deeply and keep doing heat treatments a couple times a week for the next couple of weeks (empty room). Throw off a couple pylon tr bombs too think those are the ones.


Then start from seed and be patient. It sucks that you need cash but your not going to get that or quality product if things arent done correct when rushing more mistakes are likely to occur. keep your eyes out and like retro states:


aspirin should be used from start to finish. and heat treatments can be done weekly

all kinds of things can be purchased online btw for broads.


They will stick around your house trust me if I dont treat my ladies buds will start showing pine cone like symptoms no smell etc...mofos just hiding because they dont like my new military set up lol




It sucks bro been there done that just like the rest of us.

Prevention is key in this you live and you learn



AJAE

[SmellyFlorist]

@AJAE.... wasup thanks for stopping back in...
Sorry for being confusing, I got a 30times loupe, thats what Iv been doin the monitoring with, I now realise I need a 100times microscope, so that I actually know what Im fighting...
Eish, your post bout isolating that blue dream was after I toasted them, I did post an after pic of her looking pretty fuct... advice on turning her back to life.... I mean must been 150f down there, everything should be dead on it...
What would you clean the room and everything else with? Bleach?
Im starting to get you on the starting afresh aspect... trust. Hear me out though, I got a wifi box for internet so I could create an account here, in the contract it said 48hours delivery time, took me 20days to get it, and I had to drive 30kms to the next town, coz the twat cudnt find my gps coordinates.... this is Africa. So even if that mate comes out he'll bring em with him[the genetics], but thats probs mid december, not to sure, before xmas thou....
quite awhile away...