[jd4083]

Originally Posted by Mikell

Nope, I think he's on point. The only changes I would make are to use comically large water balloons and heat-triggered crossbows.

I'll post some pics once everything is teetering above my electrical wiring.

Originally Posted by rives

Be sure and use salt water - it will conduct the electricity better and insure that the breaker trips quickly.

[LSWM]

Originally Posted by DrFever

Was talking to my neighbour who is master electrician and asked him a few questions this is pretty much what came out of his mouth it is not dangerous to energize electrical components, gadgets, devices and equipment. They do not present a hazard unless they are handled incorrectly or have the potential to alter into something that presents a danger.
He went on saying what can trigger a electrical fire is over loaded electrical out lets incorrectly wired plugs outlets and switches, and short circuits and this is why its rather important to have a certified electrician do all the wiring instead of searching the Net for half truths especially when safety is a concern PERIOD

EVERY electronic component has the capacity to fail, this includes the breakers designed to protect failure. The NEC, exists to REDUCE THE CHANCE OF FAILURE. It does not ensure 100% success.

Dehumidifiers being pulled off the market and recalled, because they burned houses down has happened multiple times, killed dozens of people, and burned hundreds of homes, all in the last 20 years within the United States.

Not saying a person can not do it himself but if he is doubting some things then maybe just spend the little extra to sleep better at nights or not have that worry when your not home .. get a electrician
So this brings me to the next Question ???
this room you are building is it going to be sealed ???? and if so my guess is your going to run c02 so really there will never be a fire in that room

Lawl... Combustion requires 3 things. A combustible substance, OXYGEN, and heat/ignition. Having 3 times the normal amount of CO2 does not prevent any of the above from happening.

i am reading above posts that sprinkler system what the hell >??? water will never extinguish a electrical fire just get you electrocuted water is a conductor
Use C02 injection or invest in a c02 fire sprinkler system but again if your to cheap to get a electrician in to do it right the first time the later part may be out of your cost range
i think you can also run a inline panel down stream from main one ??? so maybe 2 breaker system
Bottom line It is important that your home’s wiring is installed and updated according to current building codes in order to prevent short circuits and overloads

You seem to think that extra layers of protection are not important when growing, and that simply having a licensed electrician solves it all. Unfortunately this could not be farther from the truth, and having proper electrical work done is only the first step in a multi step process of providing protection of growing spaces.

EVERY component has the capacity to fail, the more fail safes that are in place the less likely failure will occur. With growing indoors, in a residence, there are MANY points of failure, and securing them all is not as simple as calling a licensed electrician. I sincerely hope you don't fall prey to this fallacy, and lose your life or a loved one.

Bobblehead barely made it out alive, to belittle safety in a thread about safety, is not only foolish, but a danger to others as well.

[Mikell]

Originally Posted by DrFever

water will never extinguish a electrical fire just get you electrocuted water is a conductor

Prove it

[devilgoob]

Except I said the switches would be all tripped off.

Originally Posted by devilgoob View Post
Why not have loads of water suspended and teetering, attached to a string that runs through a series of pullie's through the room?

If one part of the string breaks because of fire, it dumps water and turns off switches by falling. Cool huh? Daring as shit though.

Before the buckets or even sprinklers go, have them toss OFF the switches.

It's embarrassing, because you quoted me, and I said it two separate times.

Only an imbecile would conceive that plan without tripping the switches.

You think I am an imbecile, but read first. Read first the two separate times that I made sure to cover my ass, by saying it two times.

So that people would have a second chance to realize, and not go

"LOL BUT THATS WATER THAT"S GONNA...."


No, it's not. The switches would be off.

Anyway, anybody have any ways of stopping a fire, other than mine?

Glad I could come up with something.



Wouldn't want someone to just use safety tips. You can use all of them you want. Once a fire starts, the last thing you have to worry about is electricity.

Especially when you design it the throw the switches OFF.

Then once you have an idea, overstate it, so people don't say the first general thing that comes to mind without reading.

[jd4083]

Originally Posted by devilgoob

That makes sense, since I said the container would trip the switches off, before the water fell.

Other than that, nobody has an idea about a sprinkler system.

Like I said, and it's superobvious and you can call me dumb if I didn't mention it..but I did mention it would trip the switches OFF.

Can't comment on your method as I went a different way with my setup and settled on a pair of trained Rheesus monkeys with dry chemical fire extinguishers strapped into full harnesses hanging from opposite corners of the tent. I also set up a failsafe heat trigger so if it gets too hot and the monkeys pass out the extinguishers start spraying automatically. Seems pretty foolproof to me, but we'll see how things go.

[jd4083]

On another note, I had asked earlier about these and didn't see a response. Anybody have any thoughts/experience with these (or ATL in general)?

https://www.advancedtechlighting.com/fire.htm

[devilgoob]

Oh, too complicated then?

Let the fire grow then.

Ok, offset the container or sprinkler to the side.

Anyway, the sprinklers in schools don't leak water. All you need is raised water.

I was joking about the teetering thing.

What's more dangerous, having a failsafe water source to stop a fire, that is off to the side somewhere and raised up to prevent fires...

Or putting a hot light above flammable plants.

I just want to know which one is inherently dangerous, considering the first one SHUTS OFF the electricity first.

It's simple enough, so I thought you'd understand. They have systems like this.

Make fun, you're not an engineer and you're NOT ABOUT TO STOP A FIRE.

[jd4083]

Originally Posted by devilgoob

Oh, too complicated then?

Let the fire grow then.

Ok, offset the container or sprinkler to the side.

Anyway, the sprinklers in schools don't leak water. All you need is raised water.

I was joking about the teetering thing.

What's more dangerous, having a failsafe water source to stop a fire, that is off to the side somewhere and raised up to prevent fires...

Or putting a hot light above flammable plants.

I just want to know which one is inherently dangerous, considering the first one SHUTS OFF the electricity first.

It's simple enough, so I thought you'd understand. They have systems like this.

Make fun, you're not an engineer and you're NOT ABOUT TO STOP A FIRE.

I'm not sure if you're trying to argue with me or what but this is a one-sided thing. You're right, I'm no engineer, I made my comment and moved on...but since you're still talking about it, what happens if the mechanism that kills the power fries somehow?

[rives]

Originally Posted by jd4083

On another note, I had asked earlier about these and didn't see a response. Anybody have any thoughts/experience with these (or ATL in general)?

https://www.advancedtechlighting.com/fire.htm

I don't know anything about those specific models, but the Flame Defender units have been used by several people on here. They seem to be much more reasonably priced than the ATL units. Everybody from Amazon to eHydroponics stocks them, and there was a retailer a while back selling them at cost just because....... Can't remember who it was, though.

I've set up computer rooms with halon systems that had a switch built into the discharge head. When the bottle was actuated, it triggered a shunt-trip breaker so that the power source would be turned off at the same time. Kind of like DG's setup, but without the Rube Goldberg provenance.

[Mikell]

Originally Posted by jd4083

I'm not sure if you're trying to argue with me or what but this is a one-sided thing. You're right, I'm no engineer, I made my comment and moved on...but since you're still talking about it, what happens if the mechanism that kills the power fries somehow?

Stop now, or be prepared to suffer the onslaught of book-length replies