[Apache Kush]

thought fox tails were good

main colas are big and sexy more bag appeal for your bud right?

not seing the downside here...

I always belived that big colas are a good trait... prove me wroung please

[Mikell]

I've only had it happen once, from TopShooter, and found it, and the delayed harvest, unappealing. But that's just me, there are a few nice pics in the foxtail thread :P

[milkyjoe]

Originally Posted by stevewinthrop

For the week you're using liquid Kool bloom I'd play it safe and cut out the triacontanol. The reason being that liquid Kool bloom probably also contains pgrs in addition to high pk. Probably also why they say "start with liquid kb, finish with dry" because the dry product doesn't have pgrs.

Got any proof of that at all? Even any logical reasoning behind it? Any reason to believe high pk has anything to do with yield? Or perhaps high p blocks micros which are the mineral backbone of the enzymes that drive essential fat production.

Ever wonder how some of these things got started...I do.

[stevewinthrop]

Nope, no proof, the liquid koolbloom recipe is secret, I just know it has high pk, the powdered one too. But I'm beginning to see that a lot of products that are considered boosters are not just a blend of potassium and phosphorus. I think it's probable that most "boost" products also contain pgrs. Maybe not all of them contain triacontanol, but auxins or kinetins

[BigBozat]

Sorry if this seems excessively regurgitative... I just have trouble wrapping my easily distracted brain around things... tell me to stop if it's annoying (and apologies if this constitutes unwelcome thread hijacking)...


So, re-recapping again (and throwing in another I ran across elsewhere):

• Alfalfa meal
• Maxicrop Liquid Seaweed
• AN's Nirvana
• Atami's Bloombastic
• GreenPlanet's Massive Bloom
• GrowMore Jump Start
• MBferts Hormone-Vitamin Booster
• Sunjay 2in1 liquid Tria & Bio Seaweed Extract
• BioGard Agrinomics' Calcium-25
• CANNA Boost
• Bloom Advanced Floriculture's Bloom Oooze & Final

As well as [perhaps? ] these (clarification/cites/confirming evidence needed):

• Vitamin Institute's SuperThrive (?)
• General Hydro's Liquid KoolBloom (?)
• Home & Garden's TopShooter (?)

Next!
(Also, any insights as to efficacy, relative concentrations and/or price/value, problemmatic adjuvants/emulsifiers/solvents, etc. prolly s/b summarized too...

... poll anyone?
... maybe I'll put 'em all into a spreadsheet at the end of this for easy side-by-side comparison?)

[EclipseFour20]

I use Jumpstart in both Veg and early Flower and I like the results. IMHO, it is one of the most affordable options on the list.
Root feed (soil) 5 ml/gallon
Foliar feed 1.25 ml/gallon

I also use Canna Boost (foliar only) at 5-10 ml/gallon rate in Flower--and I believe Jumpstart is a good replacement for root feeding with Boost, as Boost can be mucho expensive at 10-15ml/gallon rate....plus I can use Jumpstart in Veg, something that is not advisable with Canna Boost (Flower only).

[Mikell]

Keep it up BigBozat, looks like the start of a fine list of products. A good spreadsheet is worth it's weight, there are a shietload of products of varying concentration/price/effectiveness, and it would serve well to have a place for easy comparison/discussion.

[BigBozat]

Originally Posted by Mikell

Keep it up BigBozat, looks like the start of a fine list of products. A good spreadsheet is worth it's weight, there are a shietload of products of varying concentration/price/effectiveness, and it would serve well to have a place for easy comparison/discussion.

T'anks... perhaps it'll become the central element of chapt 12 of my unofficial icforums adv grower's guide, lmao

[BigBozat]

Originally Posted by milkyjoe

The question I have deals with the solubility of tria in water...it isn't. You can make an alfafa tea and the tria does not get into the water. That means one must use a non polar solvent or a strong emulsifier like polysorb...these are the chemicals one may not want. For example if you look up the patent for Ca 25 they use acetone or methyl ethyl ketone to extract the tria...

Wondering:
Use citrus terpenes as the solvent?

[IDK if, eg, d-limonene or a-pinene, etc are polar or non-polar? But, since we're already smokin' terpenes , using it in a grow to create a tria foliar presumably wouldn't be anymore of a health concern risk than already exists w/ terpenes in canabis to begin with?]

[BigBozat]

Originally Posted by Mikell

Keep it up BigBozat, looks like the start of a fine list of products. A good spreadsheet is worth it's weight, there are a shietload of products of varying concentration/price/effectiveness, and it would serve well to have a place for easy comparison/discussion.

Wuz thinking the same thing... maybe turn this thread into a sticky (might have to move) when all said & done?