[BigBozat]

Originally Posted by Raw_Dog

Bloombastic is probably the best t-nol readily available product, in my opinion. But since I learned what t-nol has done in lab studies I have since refused to use the product. Recently I went to work as a COO of a lettuce and kale farm. There I learned different high yield techniques from other indoor farmers who produced similar produce as the ones I was familiar with. Anyways, t-nol is linked to cancer causing agents. I mean really, what do you expect from a product that can increase yields 20% or more? Don't you know that product enters the body? That product also act similar inside the body as it did to the plant. Mikell, I have been doing this since 98-99, a dipshit know-nothing is not a good description of me. I wasn't even talking to you anyways, you're a nobody on here. What you say is shit, meaningless. Like I was saying, the MJ world needs to take more responsibility in what they sell the to masses. I can't wait until the days when we will have to place ingredients on our labels. I know, you have no fucking clue about the future of this business and your existence in it. Why am I even addressing your know nothing ass!?! Carry on.

What lab studies?

Evidence please!

Being recent COO of a lettuce & kale farm isn't evidence supporting the claim that tria is carcinogenic...

It might, however, be evidence - when combined with unsupported hyperbolic claims that run counter to the scientific consensus - of extremely low standards for lettuce & kale farm COO-hood...

[milkyjoe]

The question I have deals with the solubility of tria in water...it isn't. You can make an alfafa tea and the tria does not get into the water. That means one must use a non polar solvent or a strong emulsifier like polysorb...these are the chemicals one may not want. For example if you look up the patent for Ca 25 they use acetone or methyl ethyl ketone to extract the tria.

I prefer to use alfalfa meal in the soil. Fungi are capable of digesting fat and making an exudate available to the plant.

It may also be possible to use an enzyme reaction to extract it but I am not aware of anyone doing that. Chances are if you get it in a bottle of water there are non polar or emulsifiers added. Too much emulsifier can degrade cell walls so be careful with the homemade stuff

[SirStynkalot]

So I'm going to cut past all the bickering and just ask nicely.

Do you have reference material for that claim by chance? I'm looking for it and can find a bit on toxicological and pharmacological properties but the best I can find is this: "1-Triacontanol was not mutagenic in an Ames bacterial test but induced chromosomal damage in an alga."

Do you have anything more? I've used Bloombastic off and on for years and am a huge fan. I'd love to be corrected if I'm missing something.

https://www.bibra-information.co.uk/d...contanol-1997/

[EclipseFour20]

For the record....

Triacontanol was confirmed to have a potential anti-cancer effect, the aim was to assess whether the co-administration of triacontanol alters the exposure of docetaxel via inducing hepatic CYP3A1/2 activity. The concentration of docetaxel in rats pretreated with triacontanol for seven successive days was determined, and the expression levels of CYP3A protein and mRNA were analyzed by the western blot and real time polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) technique, respectively. 2.  The concentrations of docetaxel in rats pretreated with triacontanol were decreased, with 61.5%, 61.9% decrease in AUC0-24h and 65.7%, 54.9% reduction in Cmax (120 and 180 mg kg(-1), respectively) compared with the control. Hepatic clearance of docetaxel was enhanced in vitro and in vivo at dosage of 120 and 180 mg kg(-1), and CYP3A activity was up-regulated by measuring the formation rate of 1-hydroxymidazolam. Triacontanol preferentially induced protein expression level of CYP3A2 in a dose-dependent manner and of CYP 3A1 at dosage of 120 and 180 mg kg(-1). The mRNA expression of CYP3A1 was moderately different with the western blot results, but the trends appeared similar. CYP3A2 mRNA level was not markedly affected by triacontanol. 3.  The significant triacontanol-docetaxel interaction was largely due to the induction of CYP3A1/2, which brought useful information in the clinical therapy when the combination is administered in human.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24329500

And there is a patent titled, "USE OF TRIACONTANOL IN PREPARATION OF MEDICAMENTS FOR TREATMENT OF CANCERS" https://patentimages.storage.googleap.../US7863337.pdf

Seems that someone's "cancer opinion" is not supported by the "facts"....and this was after only 4 minutes of "researching".

[milkyjoe]

I am not claiming tria is a prob. In fact I am not claiming low dose emulsifier (used in many pill medicines) or non polars are a real problem. Merely stating my preference to let the fungi sort it out.

[BigBozat]

Originally Posted by milkyjoe

The question I have deals with the solubility of tria in water...it isn't. You can make an alfafa tea and the tria does not get into the water. That means one must use a non polar solvent or a strong emulsifier like polysorb...these are the chemicals one may not want. For example if you look up the patent for Ca 25 they use acetone or methyl ethyl ketone to extract the tria.

I prefer to use alfalfa meal in the soil. Fungi are capable of digesting fat and making an exudate available to the plant.

It may also be possible to use an enzyme reaction to extract it but I am not aware of anyone doing that. Chances are if you get it in a bottle of water there are non polar or emulsifiers added. Too much emulsifier can degrade cell walls so be careful with the homemade stuff

Don't know nothing about it or the vendor, but fwiw...

https://sunjaybio.com/product.html

[About halfway down the page...]
E. 2 in 1 Liquid Triacontanol & Bio Seaweed Extract :

Unique 2 in 1 combination plant growth promoter with Triacontanol from Beeswax & Liquid Seaweed - Extracted by unique Enzymatic process.

[milkyjoe]

Figured it was possible just did not know for certain. That would be my choice other than putting it in the soil. I have looked at vitazyme also

[BigBozat]

Originally Posted by milkyjoe

Figured it was possible just did not know for certain. That would be my choice other than putting it in the soil. I have looked at vitazyme also

Didn't know about Vitazyme (but prolly should have)... thanks for the tip!

[Mikell]

Originally Posted by milkyjoe

The question I have deals with the solubility of tria in water...it isn't. You can make an alfafa tea and the tria does not get into the water. That means one must use a non polar solvent or a strong emulsifier like polysorb...these are the chemicals one may not want. For example if you look up the patent for Ca 25 they use acetone or methyl ethyl ketone to extract the tria.

That reminds me. I don't know a heck of a lot about traditional surfactants, but I do know some are poisonous/dangerous, and may be carcinogenic. After an hour or so piddling around Google/Scholar, *.edu sites, finding similar results as SirStynkalot and EF420, the only cancerous effects of tria I could think of, would be attributed to a surfactant or emulsifier.

I must apologize because after researching the data for myself I didn't find a single thing wrong with the product. I stand to be corrected. I was obviously misinformed. When I'm wrong I'm wrong.