Will breeding with a hermi male result in hermi females? - Breeder's Laboratory - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

neongreen · 09-21-2014, 09:48 PM

...or just hermi males and normal females?

Has anyone actually tried?

I got this "male" from a Herijuana F2 (bred by 3LB) seed. It started off flowering like a normal male, but since I cut a bunch of stems off it and put them into water it's started to produce female flowers.

I wanted to use it for breeding/making F3s, but have been told that the hermi trait is dominant, and I shouldn't breed with it.

It looks like I'll just be smoking it (rather than saving pollen from it) unless someone can convince me otherwise!

br26 · 09-21-2014, 10:57 PM

If it is a male and forced to change sex and s1'd itself, then all the seeds should be male. The reverse goes for females and feminized seeds. You made masculine seeds.

stoned-trout · 09-21-2014, 11:16 PM

when I did it I didn't get any herms..i did it once with c99...theres one breeder who had a lot to say about herm males..think it was DJ the guy who bred blueberry and such...but I used the pollen on a female . your looks like it self pollinated....I don't recommend breeding with herms...that's happened to me but I never kept track of the seeds or what I did with em..maybe I fed em to my cocatiel I had at the time...or I tossed em in on a massive seedlot sprouting and didn't keep track..????????

BullDogDad · 09-21-2014, 11:26 PM

My input is limited but I was once given a film canister full of Afghooey seeds that I was told were the result of a female going hermie and pollinating the guys entire flower room. I only grew out 12 of those seeds. Every one started out female and around week five every single one went hermie. I took them as far as I could. Once I started to see immature seed developing I chopped them. People still liked the smoke actually but it was a bit short lived. I cull any plant that has hermie tendencies whether a little or a lot. I would also cull it's parents. I don't care how special the smoke of the plant might be. I would never waste time on the progeny of a plant with those tendencies either. The only way to "get rid" of the hermie trait is to not tolerate it. If you are starting a line from land races then there may be an exception in the beginning because you may not have a choice. They may all have the tendency to herm. That's where really knowing your shit when it comes to breeding and the ability to work with large populations comes in handy.

stoned-trout · 09-21-2014, 11:33 PM

I wouldn't ever bother with a female herm ..but the one time I used a herm male I didn't have any issues. so I agree^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

MJPassion · 09-22-2014, 03:11 PM

Those "reverse herm" males are considered special by some breeders. DJ Short says they give rise to a larger female population from the resultant seed.

I think you should do the deed. Do a test run and then decide if the male was a dud or a stud.

And save pollen just in case you get a stud.

neongreen · 09-22-2014, 05:40 PM

Thanks for the replies all. I think I will have to give it a try, part of the reason being that I only have a single Heri seed left which I'm hoping will be female.

If nothing else it should be an interesting experiment!

stihgnobevoli · 09-22-2014, 05:51 PM

you can always save a clone of it and pop your last seed, if it's a girl then dust her with the pollen from this one and some male from somewhere else for an outcross. as well as i would let this plant self itself and keep those seeds separate. now you have 3 crosses to play with and if you never end up with a heri female you can always dust this hermi with your male and also dust another plant with the true male. one of those resulting males/females you can cross back to the heri male or female, or this hermi even depending on what you get from that last seed.

neongreen · 09-22-2014, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stihgnobevoli

you can always save a clone of it and pop your last seed, if it's a girl then dust her with the pollen from this one and some male from somewhere else for an outcross. as well as i would let this plant self itself and keep those seeds separate. now you have 3 crosses to play with and if you never end up with a heri female you can always dust this hermi with your male and also dust another plant with the true male. one of those resulting males/females you can cross back to the heri male or female, or this hermi even depending on what you get from that last seed.

Thanks for the suggestions stihgnobevoli...

It might be a bit difficult to get the selfed seeds to mature since all the plant is cut and put in bottles with water in them. I suppose I could try and save a clone... and perhaps the seeds will mature on it also.

Either way I have a few good doses of pollen (enough for a few thousand seeds potentially, but more like 500-1000 realistically) from him that will be frozen till next season - I've been growing outdoors since I've had problems trying to get things to grow indoors, but I've been trying to iron out the problems in the past couple of weeks and will give the indoor another shot in the next few days hopefully.

mrnicedreams413 · 01-21-2015, 10:16 PM

I have a question...I had a unknown OG from bag seed hermi on me and also a sour diesel bag seed Hermie on me..so I decided to take a clone of the OG and pollinated it with a pollen sack off the sour girl that Hermied on me... Any ideas on the stability possibilities? And if usual or less traits will get passed down?

09-21-2014, 09:48 PM	#1
neongreen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: neither here nor there Posts: 1,227	Will breeding with a hermi male result in hermi females? ...or just hermi males and normal females? Has anyone actually tried? I got this "male" from a Herijuana F2 (bred by 3LB) seed. It started off flowering like a normal male, but since I cut a bunch of stems off it and put them into water it's started to produce female flowers. I wanted to use it for breeding/making F3s, but have been told that the hermi trait is dominant, and I shouldn't breed with it. It looks like I'll just be smoking it (rather than saving pollen from it) unless someone can convince me otherwise! __________________ Previous Grows: Rombolt and Trainwreck S1 outdoor 2013 (organic/outdoor) Blowfish/Trainwreck S1s and Taskenti (organic/outdoor) I dug too deep I think!
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09-21-2014, 10:57 PM	#2
br26 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mitten Posts: 479	If it is a male and forced to change sex and s1'd itself, then all the seeds should be male. The reverse goes for females and feminized seeds. You made masculine seeds. __________________ Card holder in compliance It is important to eat what is in season It is important to season what you eat The great Maples are running!
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09-21-2014, 11:16 PM	#3
stoned-trout if it smells like fish Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: bible hill estates Posts: 8,328	when I did it I didn't get any herms..i did it once with c99...theres one breeder who had a lot to say about herm males..think it was DJ the guy who bred blueberry and such...but I used the pollen on a female . your looks like it self pollinated....I don't recommend breeding with herms...that's happened to me but I never kept track of the seeds or what I did with em..maybe I fed em to my cocatiel I had at the time...or I tossed em in on a massive seedlot sprouting and didn't keep track..???????? __________________ SML..iff mi spellin and centances suk and yoo don't lyke itt too fukkin bad;/?.....I once was asked what I would say upon getting to the gates of heaven??? m/r is a visitors badge an option??? I would like a few drinks at the bar... YEEHAW....vote for real legalization not sum bullshit...free the weed or kiss my ass...you wont be getting my tax money..
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09-21-2014, 11:26 PM	#4
BullDogDad Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 135	My input is limited but I was once given a film canister full of Afghooey seeds that I was told were the result of a female going hermie and pollinating the guys entire flower room. I only grew out 12 of those seeds. Every one started out female and around week five every single one went hermie. I took them as far as I could. Once I started to see immature seed developing I chopped them. People still liked the smoke actually but it was a bit short lived. I cull any plant that has hermie tendencies whether a little or a lot. I would also cull it's parents. I don't care how special the smoke of the plant might be. I would never waste time on the progeny of a plant with those tendencies either. The only way to "get rid" of the hermie trait is to not tolerate it. If you are starting a line from land races then there may be an exception in the beginning because you may not have a choice. They may all have the tendency to herm. That's where really knowing your shit when it comes to breeding and the ability to work with large populations comes in handy.
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09-21-2014, 11:33 PM	#5
stoned-trout if it smells like fish Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: bible hill estates Posts: 8,328	I wouldn't ever bother with a female herm ..but the one time I used a herm male I didn't have any issues. so I agree^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ __________________ SML..iff mi spellin and centances suk and yoo don't lyke itt too fukkin bad;/?.....I once was asked what I would say upon getting to the gates of heaven??? m/r is a visitors badge an option??? I would like a few drinks at the bar... YEEHAW....vote for real legalization not sum bullshit...free the weed or kiss my ass...you wont be getting my tax money..
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09-22-2014, 03:11 PM	#6
MJPassion Observer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: uni-verse Posts: 5,584	Those "reverse herm" males are considered special by some breeders. DJ Short says they give rise to a larger female population from the resultant seed. I think you should do the deed. Do a test run and then decide if the male was a dud or a stud. And save pollen just in case you get a stud.
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09-22-2014, 05:40 PM	#7
neongreen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: neither here nor there Posts: 1,227	Thanks for the replies all. I think I will have to give it a try, part of the reason being that I only have a single Heri seed left which I'm hoping will be female. If nothing else it should be an interesting experiment! __________________ Previous Grows: Rombolt and Trainwreck S1 outdoor 2013 (organic/outdoor) Blowfish/Trainwreck S1s and Taskenti (organic/outdoor) I dug too deep I think!
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09-22-2014, 05:51 PM	#8
stihgnobevoli Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,734	you can always save a clone of it and pop your last seed, if it's a girl then dust her with the pollen from this one and some male from somewhere else for an outcross. as well as i would let this plant self itself and keep those seeds separate. now you have 3 crosses to play with and if you never end up with a heri female you can always dust this hermi with your male and also dust another plant with the true male. one of those resulting males/females you can cross back to the heri male or female, or this hermi even depending on what you get from that last seed.
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01-21-2015, 10:16 PM	#10
mrnicedreams413 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 21	I have a question...I had a unknown OG from bag seed hermi on me and also a sour diesel bag seed Hermie on me..so I decided to take a clone of the OG and pollinated it with a pollen sack off the sour girl that Hermied on me... Any ideas on the stability possibilities? And if usual or less traits will get passed down?
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