[Americangrower]

Absolutely I agree lineage needs to be known. So instead of stardawg put the actual parents Chem 4 x (Chem d x afghani 1)

[gaiusmarius]

from what i'm reading it really hinges on 1 thing.

were the seed made from a tester batch of seeds or not?

making seeds made from a batch you are testing for someone and selling hybrids is really low. if you buy the seeds do what you want, but if you are given a tester pack, you have no right to make hybrids and sell them. thats just common sense.

[hiesenbubble]

Originally Posted by gaiusmarius

from what i'm reading it really hinges on 1 thing.

were the seed made from a tester batch of seeds or not?

making seeds made from a batch you are testing for someone and selling hybrids is really low. if you buy the seeds do what you want, but if you are given a tester pack, you have no right to make hybrids and sell them. thats just common sense.

Got my 2 packs today.copper chem and hickock haze.

[straightdank420]

This is the current state of seed buying today, it's sad... There's no integrity to it. Everyone wants that next bang-out plant, and it doesn't matter what is sacrificed in pursuit of that. There's is nothing unreasonable about what Top Dawg is saying here. The gentlemen come from a time where the preservation and distribution of prized cuttings was based on one principle, your word.... That's it. Sadly that source of integrity has been lost to the newer generation of growers... If you knew the extent of time that it took for JJ and MM to do selections and testing to ensure the quality of their product for us, then you'd understand why they are displeased with people taking their gear, skipping like 1200 breeding steps, and hybridizing it with whatever's in fashions to capitalize off their work. And if you don't get that, then that's a matter of questionable professional ethics/personal integrity. I've been on IC since it was OG, I'm in my early 30s now, and I understand that times change and with that, comes a new age of growers that have new perspective on things, but you got to understand where JJ is coming from. The canna industry doesn't have patents to protect breeding property is you will, all you had, back in the day, was your word... You word meant honoring the wishes of the person that took the risk entrusting you with their hard work. If you can appreciate what goes into breeding, and said creator expresses a desire to not hybridize and exploit their work you respected that, simple as that. This isn't a ego contest guys, so calling someone a hater is entirely misplaced... It's about personal integrity, and respecting what you forefathers have done for you to be where you are.

[toxic hippie]

^ excellent post.

alot of peoples respect and integrity goes out the window when theres money to be made. its sad that it has come to this, its even sadder when people support this kind of money grubbing behavior.

[silverhazefiend]

Yea im deff gonna stay out of this . Hope everything works out in the long run

[blkmetal]

Gu is just like Walmart coming in and reaping rewards off others hard work at a discount price..Taking Monster Cookie testers and starting a company off 303 seeds..They never got to release it. Total BS. As a breeder I know what kind of hard work it takes to make something good. I work my stuff for years and it ain't some pollen chuck money grab for me. It's love for the plant. Creating a song to share. It's JJ's prerogative to charge what he wants or take as long as he wants..This is like art..can't rush the artist, and artists charge what they want for their creations. If you don't like it than just keep buying that hack version or the European hack. Don't support ripoffs..Show some respect!

[Vato_504]

lol y'all some funny dudes. I wish I would ask any breeder for permission to use a male or female to breed with after I done spent my hard on money on it. Yea Gu was wrong for breeding with testers but that Stardawg male wasn't no tester. And I don't care what you righteous brothers say that's sticking up for crybaby topdawg say if you would've found that male the dispensary found you'll be using it to so save that righteous shit for a fool. We all in this shit to find a special plant to make money off. If you say otherwise quit growing. But at the end of the day nobody is forcing you to support gps. And I be damn if I let anybody tell me where to spend my money.

[straightdank420]

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[kaneboy]

greenpoint copperchem 2nd round from cutting ,beautiful plant did first round dwc with nice results so seeing difference this time in soil also have a deathstomper on right a freebie from dvg,i grow for fun and personal use and truly dont care about the politics of all those concerned peeps what is done is done no whinging will change anything just wreck a good thread ,