[Useful Idiot]

This is an interesting article I read and wanted to share with the group. I am in search of a treatment plan involving a close friends daughter,and I know some of you folks here are looking for the same. Please feel free to give your thoughts about the article. And also any advise pertaining to treatments for various illness you have encountered personally or as a caregiver. Over the last year one marijuana strain has gained more attention than any other. Charlotte's Web, a high-CBD strain bred out by, Realm of Caring, a group of dispensary owners in Colorado has quickly become a buzz-word among lawmakers across the U.S. The effect is that many people seem to think that Charlotte's Web is the only high-CBD strain out there, and that children suffering from seizures must have access to Charlotte's Web specifically.

While the strain has definitely been shown to help children, it isn't the only one despite what the PR machine behind Realm of Caring would have everyone believe. Eleven states passed high-CBD laws this past session, and many of them use Charlotte's Web specifically in their names. Included in that is a bill submitted this week dubbed the Charlotte's Web Medical Hemp act of 2014 which would legalize the proprietary strain federally.

Vanessa Waltz, cannabis activist and columnist at Lady Bud, writes a lengthy and detailed look at Charlottes Web and the phenomenon surrounding it this week. In it, she points out that there are many other high CBD strains that can be used and that Charlotte's Web is more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. Beyond that, she says a new plan for a federal CBD-only exemption doesn't take into account the thousands of other cannabinoids that also help sick children and that plans from ROC to grow industrial hemp and pass the oil off as Charlotte's Web are going to leave patients in the dark.
Waltz says that many parents have grown disillusioned with Charlottes Web, including Jason David, who has been treating his son's epileptic condition with cannabis oil since 2011. David says that by pushing legislation that only allows for CBD in the oil, they are ignoring the benefits of mild doses of THC and THC-A.
"They're not telling the whole truth," David tells LadyBud. "There's no way possible that all these children in Colorado could get seizure control and get off all their medications without using different ratios and adding THC and THCA (which are not allowed by the newly proposed legislation). Charlotte's Web can work great in the beginning but it's impossible to get off all the medications and go through benzo withdrawals without being able to play with the THC ratios. ... The only realistic option is having the whole plant available, THC and all, so people can trial and error just like with pharmaceuticals. There are so many ways to use this plant, and it's only ok to have one ratio? That doesn't make sense. This plant isn't half-good and half-evil."
Another parent, Brian Wilson, says his daughter Vivian - who has been featured here in Toke as well as in other national news sites - wouldn't have been able to control her seizures on CBD alone.
"We saw minor seizure control and developmental progress with CBD alone, but we didn't see real seizure control until we added measurable levels of THC to the mix," explains Wilson. "Others see great results with THCA added in. Some see very good results with no CBD, like in NJ where there is little to no CBD available. The point is, this is highly individualized medicine. There is no magic bullet."
The point? That CBD-only legislation is setting up some parents for disappointment after they've been told it could be a miracle cure. Beyond that, LadyBud contends that the CBD-only legislation at the federal and state level has more to do with Realm of Caring's business model than anything else. She points to the trademarking of the name "Charlotte's Web" and ROCs push to distinguish CBD as separate from marijuana.
"Many activists believe that RoC's labeling of their medicine as separate from medical marijuana is completely disrespectful to the activists that came before them," Waltz writes. "Indeed, how would the [owners of RoC, the Stanley brothers[ have ever been able to develop the Charlotte's Web strain without comprehensive medical cannabis legislation in Colorado? At a time when public support for widespread comprehensive reform is at an all-time high, many of the most prominent pediatric epilepsy activists in our country are becoming more and more skeptical of RoC's intent."
We at Toke agree. CBD-only legislation is being used as a way to pacify voters and for politicians to say that they've "legalized medical marijuana" when they actually haven't. Other politicians are using recently passed CBD laws as a way to show that cannabis activists who are asking for broader access to the plant are taking the state down a "slippery slope". There's also something that doesn't sit right about legislation around the country that uses a trademarked marijuana strain name so specifically when what really matters is the concentration of the cannabinoids themselves. There are dozens if not hundreds of high-CBD strains out there than can help patients and it's time more lawmakers and voters realized that.

[oldchuck]

Now this is interesting:

https://www.whas11.com/news/Man-broth...270425301.html

Josh Stanley, godfather of CW, is moving the operation to Kentucky and calling it "hemp." Gosh, do you suppose CW might have always been nothing more than garden variety hemp or even ditchweed that grows all over the place and everywhere? I bet there is not nearly as much money in hemp flower oil.

[great brozini]

CW, just a pheno of resin seeds cannatonic... Pop away and ignore the hype

[Mustafunk]

Originally Posted by great brozini

just a pheno of resin seeds cannatonic... Pop away and ignore the hype

Yeah like practically the 90% of true CBD strains nowadays, indeed they are all phenos and crosses from the same original spanish strains besides all those fancy names haha...

But what no one says is that Cannatonic it's also just a pheno of another strain from a third seedbank and not MK Ultra X G13 like they say lol. Resin Seeds (and by extension all the people working with those genetics and spreading bullshit all over the world) are just making cash from the original strains discovered by the Spanish seedbank Reggae Seeds, they were the first guys who found those rare CBD phenos in their strains (Dub, Dancehall, Juanita) and started working with them in 2004-2006. They were crosses made from a CBD rich NYC Diesel male (Soma Seeds) and Queen Mother strain (Delicatessen Seeds).

Later in 2008 Jaime from Resin seeds got 7000 seeds from them (via Alex, who was Soma's son-in-law) and from there, they selected a few CBD rich phenotypes and named them Cannatonic and Dulce Canna, but they were simply phenos of Dancehall or Dub strains from Reggae Seeds. Time after that, he also founded CBD Crew with Shantiblabla and they started hyping up all the CBD bullshit.

Jimmy, breeder of Reggae Seeds starts the wave in 2004 with a New York City Diesel Male with CBD that uses to create Juanita la lagrimosa, Kalijah and more strains, in the second step he creates in 2006 Dancehall, Dub, Session and more strains. In 2008 he gives to Alex Soma 5000 Dub and 2000 Dancehall (still not payed). Alex gives to Jaime (Resin Seeds) but say him that was MK Ultra x G13 Haze, Jaime select Cannatonic and Freeman selects Dieseltonic and Dulce Canna, we believe the 3 plants are genotypes of Dancehall. Jaime gets a prize in High Times Cannabis Cup 2008 and make the analysis in Canna stand during Spannabis 2009 discovering the CBD Wave. In 2009 and 2010 Jaime makes the first CBD genetics marketing campaign. Jaime and Shantibaba create CBD Crew to offer a whole range of CBD genetics.

Same with medical projects like Tikum Olam in Israel. They simply got packs from Jaime, first some Cannatonic packs and later 300 feminised seeds of Z6 and Z7. They used all those strains to select Avi-Dekel (16.3% CBD), Midnight (12.4 % CBD), El-Na (6.5 % CBD) or Rafael (18.6% CBD) but they are in fact simply different phenotypes of the same plants. They haven't been doing any super special scientific breeding or anything like that, just growing those seeds they got from Jaime.

So the sad thing is that the ones taking the credit by all this CBD trend are not even the strain creators but just some greedy guys making he most from the trend and other people's work. It's always the same old story, even though Reggae Seeds were also working with stuff from others (Delicatessen Seeds and Soma) already instead of doing proper breeding with landraces or their own genetics.

[Useful Idiot]

Good and true info there Mustafunk.

[Hammerhead]

I always thought the SB took a high CBD plant and started crossing it with other strains they had. The CW was nothing but a high CBD plant they where trying to breed into other crosses. They then tried it on those kids the rest is history..

[Betterhaff]

Originally Posted by Purple Frostbyte

I always thought the SB took a high CBD plant and started crossing it with other strains they had.

That’s what I thought too, I believe it started with the Remedy and evolved to the Z series. The Z series was a precursor to the work being done by the CBD crew with plants that have high CBD or high THC or a mix of CBD/THC. CBD crew strains are CBD rich varieties which also contain THC trying to achieve a 1:1 ratio with all plants, not just plants exclusively high in CBD.

I am in agreement with a lot of what is said in the opening post, CBD legislation is way too narrow as far as the benefits of the plant and it is more or less “lip service” by the politicos. Hopefully this doesn’t turn into something that is seen in the pharma industry where you have the active ingredient being marketed by a trade name. THC has always been touted as the bad side of cannabis, but there may be so many potential benefits. There are a lot of medicines that have good and bad sides.

One good thing about all this is that a message is getting brought to forefront and to the masses…that there are benefits from the plant.

[theJointedOne]

mistafunk ftw!

[St. Phatty]

Perhaps self-medication works for children too.

How about giving a sick child a variety of strains, including one or more CBD rich strains, then let them 'play' ? Also some Afghui.

[Photosynthesis]

CW is a joke. There are 20%cbd strains floating around as we speak.

They could market a turd.

I mean, They are marketing a turd.