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EasyGoing · 02-05-2018, 02:28 PM

Start off at 85% ca and 4%k.

Water and top dress with 1-2-1, with a top dress of 1 cup per gypsum per yard every third, forth week. Indoors, that means no real gypsum until 10 days before flower. I top dress with 4-8-4 bulb food from Down to earth, mixed 50/50 with EWC which helps with bumping the K up during veg, shooting for 8% before the Ca bump. Then I liquid feed a 1-2-1, and the 2 comes from liquid bone meal, which helps keep my Ca up. 10 days before flower I give two - three healthy doses of gypsum, totaling 1 cup per yard ish. Then it's getting the K back to 8% by end of grow.

Seems to be doing a heck of a job for me. I like having a base, with the 1-2-1. Then knowing you need that extra Ca going into flower really creates healthy, hungry plants. Easy to move around your numbers with Gypsum too. I know you said it isn't consistent for you, but in my grows it has been the answer. High Mg and bicarbonates in my water, gypsum is my friend.

EasyGoing · 02-05-2018, 02:30 PM

Soil meter of choice is some strange European country, that took forever to get me the meter. I think it took 5 weeks. Slow has the contact if anybody needs it. It has changed my growing ability. First thing I do when I go to a new garden, probe the soil. Shows me in seconds where people stand. Can't tell you how many gardens have zero connectivity. People always say, "man I loaded up that soil, she is good to go till harvest." Then I probe it and it reads zero. Then I probe the seemingly dead native clay soil, and the ec jumps. That blows people away......... The soil they paid big bucks for, is already out of juice. Then flower comes. Then the bugs come. Same with rookie garners every single year.

jidoka · 02-05-2018, 03:14 PM

Does that dte bulb meal have 2% mg in it?

EasyGoing · 02-05-2018, 04:12 PM

sure does. Hence the gypsum. Looking for alternatives, or designing my own through a major nutrient company. Somebody I know might be working on this...........Would love to minimize the Mg, and Fe.

If you find something better, let me know.

led05 · 02-05-2018, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyGoing

sure does. Hence the gypsum. Looking for alternatives, or designing my own through a major nutrient company. Somebody I know might be working on this...........Would love to minimize the Mg, and Fe.

If you find something better, let me know.

I don't think Fert companies are intentionally adding the Fe & Mg it just seems to come along for the ride in many things mined, separating it out or searching for lower is certainly a good thing !

How much did your soil meter cost you, can you find out the brand or does Mike need to order for you type of thing?

Thanks

jidoka · 02-05-2018, 05:08 PM

I have not found one. I want to use Perfect Blend Biotic but the P is lower than I want and I cannot figure out how to add more without additional Ca other than P Acid which I don't want to do outdoors.

The Nectar For the Gods 2-5-2 looks OK but the price is just stupid. I think with a good sized brewer you could make something similar yourownself though. I would probably switch soft rock for bone meal and include Bio Phos as part of my microbe load though. When you get into stabilizing it for bottles is when you get into the non organic stuff.

I get the feeling 2-5-2-7 would be pretty awesome. Especially if it were biotic. Put that on top of a balanced soil to begin with for EC control

And I got no problem with gypsum in soil. I just found indo coco foliar gives me much more precise control is all.

jidoka · 02-05-2018, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by led05

I don't think Fert companies are intentionally adding the Fe & Mg it just seems to come along for the ride in many things mined, separating it out or searching for lower is certainly a good thing !

How much did your soil meter cost you, can you find out the brand or does Mike need to order for you type of thing?

Thanks

one of the ingredients is sul-po-mag, could have used k sulfate instead.

growingcrazy · 02-09-2018, 05:58 PM

Doka, Any experience with gelatin?

Been playing around with gelatin and CaCO3...

I know, weird question, right...

orechron · 02-09-2018, 06:54 PM

Glycine calcium chelate and ky lube for maximum mineral penetration

jidoka · 02-09-2018, 07:06 PM

nope. for the collagen?

02-05-2018, 02:28 PM	#3071
EasyGoing Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 670	Start off at 85% ca and 4%k. Water and top dress with 1-2-1, with a top dress of 1 cup per gypsum per yard every third, forth week. Indoors, that means no real gypsum until 10 days before flower. I top dress with 4-8-4 bulb food from Down to earth, mixed 50/50 with EWC which helps with bumping the K up during veg, shooting for 8% before the Ca bump. Then I liquid feed a 1-2-1, and the 2 comes from liquid bone meal, which helps keep my Ca up. 10 days before flower I give two - three healthy doses of gypsum, totaling 1 cup per yard ish. Then it's getting the K back to 8% by end of grow. Seems to be doing a heck of a job for me. I like having a base, with the 1-2-1. Then knowing you need that extra Ca going into flower really creates healthy, hungry plants. Easy to move around your numbers with Gypsum too. I know you said it isn't consistent for you, but in my grows it has been the answer. High Mg and bicarbonates in my water, gypsum is my friend.
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02-05-2018, 02:30 PM	#3072
EasyGoing Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 670	Soil meter of choice is some strange European country, that took forever to get me the meter. I think it took 5 weeks. Slow has the contact if anybody needs it. It has changed my growing ability. First thing I do when I go to a new garden, probe the soil. Shows me in seconds where people stand. Can't tell you how many gardens have zero connectivity. People always say, "man I loaded up that soil, she is good to go till harvest." Then I probe it and it reads zero. Then I probe the seemingly dead native clay soil, and the ec jumps. That blows people away......... The soil they paid big bucks for, is already out of juice. Then flower comes. Then the bugs come. Same with rookie garners every single year.
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02-05-2018, 03:14 PM	#3073
jidoka Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1,226	Does that dte bulb meal have 2% mg in it? __________________ The salt shaker
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02-05-2018, 04:12 PM	#3074
EasyGoing Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 670	sure does. Hence the gypsum. Looking for alternatives, or designing my own through a major nutrient company. Somebody I know might be working on this...........Would love to minimize the Mg, and Fe. If you find something better, let me know. Last edited by EasyGoing; 02-05-2018 at 04:29 PM..
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02-05-2018, 05:08 PM	#3076
jidoka Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1,226	I have not found one. I want to use Perfect Blend Biotic but the P is lower than I want and I cannot figure out how to add more without additional Ca other than P Acid which I don't want to do outdoors. The Nectar For the Gods 2-5-2 looks OK but the price is just stupid. I think with a good sized brewer you could make something similar yourownself though. I would probably switch soft rock for bone meal and include Bio Phos as part of my microbe load though. When you get into stabilizing it for bottles is when you get into the non organic stuff. I get the feeling 2-5-2-7 would be pretty awesome. Especially if it were biotic. Put that on top of a balanced soil to begin with for EC control And I got no problem with gypsum in soil. I just found indo coco foliar gives me much more precise control is all. __________________ The salt shaker
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02-09-2018, 05:58 PM	#3078
growingcrazy Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Michigans sunset coast Posts: 771	Doka, Any experience with gelatin? Been playing around with gelatin and CaCO3... I know, weird question, right...
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02-09-2018, 06:54 PM	#3079
orechron Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 378	Glycine calcium chelate and ky lube for maximum mineral penetration
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02-09-2018, 07:06 PM	#3080
jidoka Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1,226	nope. for the collagen? __________________ The salt shaker
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