[Backyard Farmer]

One pass through the pump is fine for compost tea, stuff like spectrum extra etc., is fine , too ...

Definitely not USDA organic. I think the question is whether it's actually harmful even if the Howard/Rodale school of organics doesn't think it counts. Urea is naturally occurring but synthetically derived; 48% N by volume. The calcium nitrate is not organic but frankly I'm really interested in it as a fertilizer.

[milkyjoe]

Originally Posted by Bulldog420

Hypercap isn't organic right? That is why I passed on it.

It cannot be certified organic. Neither can micro 5000 or pz 1000.

My opinion certified is an agreement between corporations and govt to keep out competition moreso than protect us. You can do zero and be certified organic and your food can have no nutrtional value at all. Thanks for caring but if it r eally matters allow me to figure out what I want. I personally have zero respect for govt or corps...fuck th both.

Does it hurt me microbes or not is my syou may feel differently and that is fine. Act accordingly

Originally Posted by milkyjoe

My opinion certified is an agreement between corporations and govt to keep out competition moreso than protect us. You can do zero and be certified organic and your food can have no nutrtional value at all. Thanks for caring but if it r eally matters allow me to figure out what I want. I personally have zero respect for govt or corps...fuck th both.

I dealt directly with OTCO for years and nothing to do with a corporation yet something to do with government considering they were inspecting per USDA guidelines. Over the years saw them demand more documentation and we had more forms to fill out and more supportive information to provide. Just another entity looking to support it's existence. The real bitch was dealing with the FDA and GMP issues. Someday soon coming to a canna garden near you or something close. That would probably be something like GAP and a Food Safety Program which I understand needs to be implemented by the end of 2015.

I think it's all bullshit regarding organic or not and for some to look to OMRI for support is lame. OMRI is a racket worse than an organization like OTCO. Think for yourself.

If it does not negatively affect the soil biota and worms it's all good. I know Kempf has/is used/using urea and makes it soil friendly by driving the lactobacillus to make it all work. Inject urea and some correct sugars and the lactobacillus make that urea all microbe/worm friendly. The dude is a genius.

[Bulldog420]

Milky - True that. I agree most things organic are smoke screens, however just the phrase organic does hold some value. For example, no GMO foods can be sold as organic.

I know when I visit the farmers market I always ask the vender if they are organic. If they say yes, then I am game. If they say no, then I walk away. However if they say a similar pitch as milky just did to me, then I am more hesitant to buy than the full organic guy. Regulations are there to protect the public, it's just when regulator agencies decide who can play the game it becomes a problem.

With herb it's a little more forgiving for sure. Good weed is good weed to most people. I however stick to organic guidelines not for my self so much, as for the people I grow for.

[Backyard Farmer]

but what if you have genetic drift from your neighbors gmo corn that they grew in your garden pollinating your corn that you grew organically ...is it still organic corn ? no.

what you're missing bulldog is the bureaucracy and the history behind what constitutes CERTIFIABLE organic , and truly ORGANIC as in , an element found in nature...

and who cares about organic or conventional ...what about quality ? Like real quality ...like..nutritional value...

I don't want to get on the soap box...

[Bulldog420]

Like I keep saying, I agree. I agree you should be more concerned about nutritional value. I just select from organic sources, that's all. Jesh.

The answer to BYF question about GMO pollinating your crop and that being organic....the answer is no, and your now growing a crop that your not patented to grow and Monsanto is coming after you. Still not organic however.

[cannascholar]

Originally Posted by Backyard Farmer

One pass through the pump is fine for compost tea, stuff like spectrum extra etc., is fine , too ...

What about a small sump pump to keep your tank mixed? I often have a lot of sediment/ Humic acid left in my tank after fertigation, aeas bottles can pour out quite thick. Nice reminder you're gettin a good value.

Bulldog I think the frustration is that you can buy vegetables from someone who does jack shit and claims to be a permaculturist or some other bogus term that obfuscates their doing nothing, and their food will be certified organic and be entirely lacking in nutrition, but the guy who cared for the soil and raised his nutrition levels won't be because he used a product that's harmless but not certified. In my mind the organic guidelines should be there to keep our harmful pesticides and fertilizers which destroy soil fertility. They're more representative of Rodale's cultlike obsession with Albert Howard though. Not trying to gang up on ya, I think we're all just venting frustration with the system.

[Bulldog420]

Got it Luther Burbank. What I don't think you guys understand is I hold my produce to the same level of standards as you guys. I just tend select what I buy from organic sources. Are all organic sources the best? No. Are organic sources better on average than non organic sources? I believe so. That is all I am saying people. Didn't mean to get everybody's panties in a organic bunch, lol.

I fully get what you guys are saying, and it is my own personal choice. Not saying anybody has to follow what I do, it's just how I get down. That's all. I think I found your guys sensitive spot.

Here is another example of why I stick to organic farming.....https://www.acresusa.com/the-myths-of-safe-pesticides
Not saying you guys are using chems like this, no way. Just saying if you have something labeled organic, then you don't have to worry about most of these pesticides.

Edit: You guys are also talking to somebody that has done hundred if not thousands of hours of research on GMO foods and Monsanto. I am involved with a grass roots organization against Monstanto, and have been against everything he has put on the ballets. I was one of the only people saying Cali should pass (i foget what measure now) the labeling of GMO foods. Everybody was telling me, "that will only increase the cost of food" and none of them understood who was backing the bill......Monsanto. Your guys point of view has not fallen on deaf ears by any means. Keep fighting the good fight people.