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SativaBelieva · 05-28-2006, 03:56 PM

Thinking ferts are somewhat generic... yet I have some cutting edge, bio, soil life, additives that you can buy from outside the canna-business world... these soil organisms live everywhere in nature... abundantly... but they don't get time to colonize in sterile cannabis grow operations... in the Netherlands soil gets sterilized before it is allowed to be sold... to kill all fungi and bacteries... the bad as well as the good... so I add symbiotic fungi and bacteries of my choice to my fresh soil...

To start I add mycorrhizal fungi when transplanting the clones into big soil containers. These fungi are considered by plant scientists to be the biological cornerstone of plant life on earth.... and every 2 weeks I add beneficial bacteria to the water... These help make essential soil mineral elements, available to the plant; and help decompose organic matter and improve physical properties of the soil.

I got these products from my friend... his nick name is ******... and he is active on several cannabis forums showing off his excellent Jack Herer... real big buds... 12 weeks sativa pheno... he gets his gear from an american producer that doesn't want to be associated with cannabis... so you have to do your own research if you want this stuff... anyway, I am a believer... and next to top class genetics, this is the only ingredient helping me to differentiate from the masses...

info on nutes I use...

Canna Terra Flores - the BIO version is my basic component... all organic... don't see it on their website... I used to add Cannazym...
https://www.canna.com/site/dhtml/pro...es_cannazym.php

Now I've replaced Cannazym by Liquid Karma from American Agritech/Botanicare...
https://www.americanagritech.com/pro...=1&pro_id_pk=30

In the second half of the flowering phase, it gets more interesting... instead of chemical or mineral PK13-14, I add only organic nutrients... no residu build up in my medium!

Organic P: Guanokalong thea (still using the pack I got from Soma in 2005, he said he could taste the PK13-14 and offered my this alternative)...
https://www.guanokalong.nl/

Organic K: Vitrasol from BioNova... sweetens the buds...
https://www.bionova.nl/SiteEN/En/pag...il3EN.asp?ID=58

Curious for the experience of all you organic soil growers...

SB

Edit: as some have asked me for info on the soil I use... just for a complete view... medium, nutes and beneficial organisms...

Most used soil for cannabis in the Netherlands... AllMix from BioBizz...
https://www.biobizz.nl/menutekst.asp?...425,430&ID=430

Currently I'm trying BatMix from Plagron... on the bottom... on the top half I still use AllMix...
https://www.plagron.nl/2005/Plagron_U...s/batmix.shtml

SativaBelieva · 05-28-2006, 06:53 PM

Oh yeah... Preventief from Plagron fights powdery mildew effectively... and is totally bio... milk sour acid bacteries... smells like yakult... totally safe to spray on flowering plants!
https://www.plagron.nl/2005/Plagron_U...eventief.shtml

05-28-2006, 09:49 PM

Hi, sounds like you have a great set of nutes. I have been using bio canna nutes for my last 4 or so grows and been impressed. I have been looking for an organic way to increase the pk so will definetly have a look at those links. thanks its always good to hear what others are using.
Good luck with your grow! i doubt you need it though hehe.

SativaBelieva · 05-28-2006, 10:56 PM

Thanks for stepping by!

That friend of mine is growing some superb selected Jack Herer 12 weeks pheno... and gets over 1.2gr/watt... totally bio... really worthwile to check his thread... its a different forum, though... you need to login...
https://www.growshopalien.com/Forum/i...?showtopic=818

muddy waters · 05-29-2006, 04:58 AM

all the bacteria and fungi you mention are available for free anywhere you find decomposing organic matter and earthworms. soil from the woods, or worm castings, or finished compost would yield those and much more in the form of water soluble nutrients if you just put it in a sock and placed that in a bucket of water with an aquarium airpump. there are even ways to propagate more bacteria or more fungi, basically using simple carbs (sugars) to favor bacteria, or no carb food source to favor fungi.

05-29-2006, 06:21 AM

Your right Muddy,...I use molasses as my carb. Heres my compost tea recipe.
Mix in a 5gal.bucket.
1 fistful of QUALITY compost. ( make sure there is some leaf mold)
1 fistful of goat/rabbit manure. (lol)
2 tblsp. kelp meal (good microbs)
1 basterful of blackstrap molasses (feed grade with sulfer)

fill bucket with water
aeriate with airpump
check in 2 days...if it has a head like beer its done.
This is not concentrate. Use it straight. I use this mix as foliar feed.

Seed

SativaBelieva · 05-29-2006, 11:38 AM

Very interesting!... I know you can mix some forest soil with your potting soil to enhance soil life... I will have to try Muddy's advise on the sock in the water with an air pump... sounds clever!

Maybe I'm too easy... getting all these ready products... though, it should be the same as in nature... like that Vitrasol I'm using... it is potassium... made of molasses...

Thanks!

05-29-2006, 07:37 PM

i prefer soluble kelp powder to kelp meal. its available faster. i use heaps of molasses, from the feed store.
sativabelieva you should definatly be using an air pump! your teas NEED air/oxygen. the nutes will become more available to your roots.

muddy waters · 05-29-2006, 11:06 PM

i would not mix straight soil into your indoor soil mix for the reason that you are likely going to bring in spider mites, nematodes, and other unhelpful pests along with some of the good bacteria and fungi. that's why i recommend making a tea using the sock method i described above (or even without the sock, it's just messier to clean up afterwards i find). no mites or nematodes will be transferred to your indoor grow space this way, but you will still reap the benefits of the microfauna you're currently spending big bucks to purchase. try it with some good worm castings and i promise you'll be a believer. it's a little more work, but the price and the satisfaction can't be beat.

things to add to the sock include: leaves of comfrey and alfalfa (research these--they're excellent for your plants), wood ash, coffee grounds, powdered egg shells, kelp (fresh or japanese grocer dried--best to cut it up a little for maximum leaching), and there are others. you could run an entire hydro crop using this aerated tea method, but it's an inexact science and certain minerals will be depleted faster than others, so i recommend using it with soil or an already lightly fertilized substrate of some kind.

minds_I · 05-30-2006, 09:10 AM

^^^^

I would agree.

minds_I

05-28-2006, 03:56 PM	#1
SativaBelieva High Priest Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 618	Organic nutes and symbiotic soil life Thinking ferts are somewhat generic... yet I have some cutting edge, bio, soil life, additives that you can buy from outside the canna-business world... these soil organisms live everywhere in nature... abundantly... but they don't get time to colonize in sterile cannabis grow operations... in the Netherlands soil gets sterilized before it is allowed to be sold... to kill all fungi and bacteries... the bad as well as the good... so I add symbiotic fungi and bacteries of my choice to my fresh soil... To start I add mycorrhizal fungi when transplanting the clones into big soil containers. These fungi are considered by plant scientists to be the biological cornerstone of plant life on earth.... and every 2 weeks I add beneficial bacteria to the water... These help make essential soil mineral elements, available to the plant; and help decompose organic matter and improve physical properties of the soil. I got these products from my friend... his nick name is *****... and he is active on several cannabis forums showing off his excellent Jack Herer... real big buds... 12 weeks sativa pheno... he gets his gear from an american producer that doesn't want to be associated with cannabis... so you have to do your own research if you want this stuff... anyway, I am a believer... and next to top class genetics, this is the only ingredient helping me to differentiate from the masses... info on nutes I use... Canna Terra Flores - the BIO version is my basic component... all organic... don't see it on their website... I used to add Cannazym... https://www.canna.com/site/dhtml/pro...es_cannazym.php Now I've replaced Cannazym by Liquid Karma from American Agritech/Botanicare... https://www.americanagritech.com/pro...=1&pro_id_pk=30 In the second half of the flowering phase, it gets more interesting... instead of chemical or mineral PK13-14, I add only organic nutrients... no residu build up in my medium! Organic P: Guanokalong thea (still using the pack I got from Soma in 2005, he said he could taste the PK13-14 and offered my this alternative)... https://www.guanokalong.nl/ Organic K: Vitrasol from BioNova... sweetens the buds... https://www.bionova.nl/SiteEN/En/pag...il3EN.asp?ID=58 Curious for the experience of all you organic soil growers... SB Edit: as some have asked me for info on the soil I use... just for a complete view... medium, nutes and beneficial organisms... Most used soil for cannabis in the Netherlands... AllMix from BioBizz... https://www.biobizz.nl/menutekst.asp?...425,430&ID=430 Currently I'm trying BatMix from Plagron... on the bottom... on the top half I still use AllMix... https://www.plagron.nl/2005/Plagron_U...s/batmix.shtml Last edited by SativaBelieva; 06-03-2006 at 02:17 PM..*
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05-28-2006, 06:53 PM	#2
SativaBelieva High Priest Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 618	Oh yeah... Preventief from Plagron fights powdery mildew effectively... and is totally bio... milk sour acid bacteries... smells like yakult... totally safe to spray on flowering plants! https://www.plagron.nl/2005/Plagron_U...eventief.shtml
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05-28-2006, 09:49 PM	#3
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Hi, sounds like you have a great set of nutes. I have been using bio canna nutes for my last 4 or so grows and been impressed. I have been looking for an organic way to increase the pk so will definetly have a look at those links. thanks its always good to hear what others are using. Good luck with your grow! i doubt you need it though hehe.
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05-28-2006, 10:56 PM	#4
SativaBelieva High Priest Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 618	Thanks for stepping by! That friend of mine is growing some superb selected Jack Herer 12 weeks pheno... and gets over 1.2gr/watt... totally bio... really worthwile to check his thread... its a different forum, though... you need to login... https://www.growshopalien.com/Forum/i...?showtopic=818
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05-29-2006, 04:58 AM	#5
muddy waters Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 753	all the bacteria and fungi you mention are available for free anywhere you find decomposing organic matter and earthworms. soil from the woods, or worm castings, or finished compost would yield those and much more in the form of water soluble nutrients if you just put it in a sock and placed that in a bucket of water with an aquarium airpump. there are even ways to propagate more bacteria or more fungi, basically using simple carbs (sugars) to favor bacteria, or no carb food source to favor fungi. __________________ "I am strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." -Winston Churchill
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05-29-2006, 06:21 AM	#6
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Your right Muddy,...I use molasses as my carb. Heres my compost tea recipe. Mix in a 5gal.bucket. 1 fistful of QUALITY compost. ( make sure there is some leaf mold) 1 fistful of goat/rabbit manure. (lol) 2 tblsp. kelp meal (good microbs) 1 basterful of blackstrap molasses (feed grade with sulfer) fill bucket with water aeriate with airpump check in 2 days...if it has a head like beer its done. This is not concentrate. Use it straight. I use this mix as foliar feed. Seed
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05-29-2006, 11:38 AM	#7
SativaBelieva High Priest Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 618	Very interesting!... I know you can mix some forest soil with your potting soil to enhance soil life... I will have to try Muddy's advise on the sock in the water with an air pump... sounds clever! Maybe I'm too easy... getting all these ready products... though, it should be the same as in nature... like that Vitrasol I'm using... it is potassium... made of molasses... Thanks! Last edited by SativaBelieva; 05-30-2006 at 05:59 PM..
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05-29-2006, 07:37 PM	#8
irie-i Guest Posts: n/a	i prefer soluble kelp powder to kelp meal. its available faster. i use heaps of molasses, from the feed store. sativabelieva you should definatly be using an air pump! your teas NEED air/oxygen. the nutes will become more available to your roots.
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05-29-2006, 11:06 PM	#9
muddy waters Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 753	i would not mix straight soil into your indoor soil mix for the reason that you are likely going to bring in spider mites, nematodes, and other unhelpful pests along with some of the good bacteria and fungi. that's why i recommend making a tea using the sock method i described above (or even without the sock, it's just messier to clean up afterwards i find). no mites or nematodes will be transferred to your indoor grow space this way, but you will still reap the benefits of the microfauna you're currently spending big bucks to purchase. try it with some good worm castings and i promise you'll be a believer. it's a little more work, but the price and the satisfaction can't be beat. things to add to the sock include: leaves of comfrey and alfalfa (research these--they're excellent for your plants), wood ash, coffee grounds, powdered egg shells, kelp (fresh or japanese grocer dried--best to cut it up a little for maximum leaching), and there are others. you could run an entire hydro crop using this aerated tea method, but it's an inexact science and certain minerals will be depleted faster than others, so i recommend using it with soil or an already lightly fertilized substrate of some kind. __________________ "I am strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." -Winston Churchill
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05-30-2006, 09:10 AM	#10
minds_I The Emperor is not only naked but batshit crazy. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norcal USA Posts: 5,269	^^^^ I would agree. minds_I __________________ His contempt for objective truth is the rejection of democratic accountability, an implicit demand that his supporters place undying faith in him. Because the only measure of truth he accepts is what he claims at any given moment, the power his supporters vest in him is unlimited. Sound familiar? If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures. In the United States, under our Constitution, a free press is a check on politicians of all parties. If we are to demand that other countries respect the tradition of a free press we must also practice that here at home. Let the people know the facts, and the country will be safe.
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